Does somebody know if there is a manual somewhere?

11 minutes ago, rob0203 said:

Does somebody know if there is a manual somewhere?

There isn't an official manual at this moment in time. They are working on it though. This video isn't from them but it may help:

https://www.youtube.com/live/c6JhpDa2Obw?si=Q1eVbbs3paHMNt63

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For those who were waiting for the marketplace - Looks like it's now been released on there.

v1.0.0 is now out on the Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 Marketplace for PC & Xbox

The PC & Xbox version currently sit one version behind the Orbx version as resubmitting a new package would have reset our queue in the marketplace. We will be submitting a new, latest, version to marketplace to get Orbx and MP in sync. Please familiarize yourself with the v1.0.1 changelog before reporting an issue to reduce duplicate / fixed issues. Thanks and enjoy!

Edited Tuesday at 06:52 PM4 days by Zangoose

Anyone knows what does message "no standby data" means?

10 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Anyone knows what does message "no standby data" means?

You need to turn this on to power up the standby instrument

Edited Tuesday at 07:13 PM4 days by Zangoose

3 minutes ago, Zangoose said:

You need to turn this on to power up the standby instrument

Thanks I totally miss that !

Any body spotted an auto throttle disarm switch ?

I’m trying to do some handling tests including stalls, but once you get into the slow speed regime you get speed protection from an auto throttle wake up.

Maybe it’s just me but loading in ready to fly its default state was just fumes in the tanks and I suffered flame outs before I could take off. I know fuel prices are high but really ?

And also the default loading was aft of the rear C/G envelope.

I’ve been flying both sims and real aircraft for several decades now but I’m afraid I wasn’t born with an innate ability to fly a citation sovereign, so if you’re going to release a high definition aircraft, please , please ship it with a manual or at least a quick start guide

3 minutes ago, jon b said:

Any body spotted an auto throttle disarm switch ?

I’m trying to do some handling tests including stalls, but once you get into the slow speed regime you get speed protection from an auto throttle wake up.

Maybe it’s just me but loading in ready to fly its default state was just fumes in the tanks and I suffered flame outs before I could take off. I know fuel prices are high but really ?

And also the default loading was aft of the rear C/G envelope.

I’ve been flying both sims and real aircraft for several decades now but I’m afraid I wasn’t born with an innate ability to fly a citation sovereign, so if you’re going to release a high definition aircraft, please , please ship it with a manual or at least a quick start guide

It's the black button behind the power levers. I mean it's on the throttle shaft or whatever you call it. it's more visible when you move the levers Forward

Cheers Ryan, I’ve been clicking that one , but it doesn’t stop the speed protection auto throttle wake up, it think it must just be the disconnect.

So on the 787 at least you can disconnect the A/T using buttons which are also on the throttles, however that only disconnects the A/T it’s still armed so you’ll also still get an A/T wake up at low speed.

To prevent that happening for example you want to deliberately stall, you have to switch off the arm switches, which on the 787 are on the left of the MCP, so I’m trying to find the equivalent disarm rather than just disconnect switch or button on the sovereign, if it even has such a thing.

I’m now cheating and I’ve found and pulled the A/T circuit breaker which did the trick ! Maybe that’s what’s done on the real aircraft and sim when it needs to be stalled for a check ride.

2 hours ago, btacon said:

Why create an exception process for one plane that will nullify dozens and dozens of others in my hanger.

It won't nullify the fixed views.

What I suspect your good self and @sdflyer may not realise is that there are two different view systems, that people often conflate and think is one.

There are the fixed views that you and SD Flyer are referring to.

And there are Custom Views that take a second (literally) to set, and remain persistent with each aircraft.

To use these latter, more flexible views, simply assign keys to :-

SET_CUSTOM_VIEW_N (n is the number - there are many available)

and

CUSTOM_VIEW_N

The first option is to instantly set a custom view. Simply use keys to get the camera where you want it and hit your key assignment for that 'set' command. Now, whenever you want to go to that view, hit the key you assigned to the actual view function for that number.

To explain it better by conveying how I use it :-

I have Ctrl+NUMPAD 1 ... through to Ctrl+NUMPAD 9 as my keys to "SET_CUSTOM_VIEW_N"

Then I have the plain old NUMPAD 1 to NUMPAD 9 assigned to go to those views.

So in the cockpit, let's say I want a camera right on the FMC. I use the cursors and keys to get the camera on top of the FMC, then press "Ctrl+NUMPAD 1". That's it saved.

When I want to go that FMC view in the cockpit, I simply hit "NUMPAD 1".

Edited Tuesday at 08:26 PM4 days by JYW

...picked it up and hour ago and have already flown a small sector from Humberside (EGNJ) to Teeside (EGNV) in the north of England.

All I can say is that I love this jet! It's perhaps my favourite bizjet in the sim (I'm not a huge bizjet fan, I prefer fast turbo-props like the TBM, M600s, etc).

I personally prefer it to the Phenom quite a lot, but that is really just down to preference, and control interaction methodology. (IE. No reversed or messy switching 😉) Also, I prefer design and build time to go in the direction of the core aicraft and it's (amazing) sounds, rather than feeding passengers and VIP cars (not to put those aspects down - I'm sure some people love that stuff).

If you want a purer biz jet experience, I would say this beats the Phenom in my opinion. If you want maximum passenger and ancillary simulation, the Phenom perhaps offers more.

Also, the fact that the Phenom is Marketplace only (massive meh...) and the Sovereign gives the purchaser options. I'm very happy to have access to my CFG files in the Sovereign 😎

1 hour ago, jon b said:

I’m trying to do some handling tests including stalls, but once you get into the slow speed regime you get speed protection from an auto throttle wake up.

Maybe it’s just me but loading in ready to fly its default state was just fumes in the tanks and I suffered flame outs before I could take off. I know fuel prices are high but really ?

And also the default loading was aft of the rear C/G envelope.

I’ve been flying both sims and real aircraft for several decades now but I’m afraid I wasn’t born with an innate ability to fly a citation sovereign, so if you’re going to release a high definition aircraft, please , please ship it with a manual or at least a quick start guide

27 minutes ago, JYW said:

...picked it up and hour ago and have already flown a small sector from Humberside (EGNJ) to Teeside (EGNV) in the north of England.

All I can say is that I love this jet! It's perhaps my favourite bizjet in the sim (I'm not a huge bizjet fan, I prefer fast turbo-props like the TBM, M600s, etc).

How's the handling (particularly in the pattern) vs the Phenom...?

Not asking you guys to pick "The Best", just curious since I have the Phenom but not this one (yet?).

Edited Tuesday at 09:09 PM4 days by UrgentSiesta

25 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

How's the handling (particularly in the pattern) vs the Phenom...?

I'm not one of the people who has had handling issues with the Phenom. I've found it very nice to hand fly, although nose wheel steering tracking is a little too sensitive IMHO.

The Sovereign is at least as nice to hand fly as the Phenom and tracks better on the take off roll and the landing role, which as we all know can be squirrelly as heck in MSFS2024!

I don't fly real jets but for "hand flying niceness" I'd rate the Phenom a solid 7.5 and the Sovereign a solid 8.5 👍

@UrgentSiesta

Ironically I’ve just been doing my test flying over the North Sea and circuits at Humberside so had I got multiplayer on I might have spotter Bill @JYW .

I’ve been up to 10,000ft did some steep turns, clean stalls, landing config stalls, and departure stalls, accelerated to over speed and deceleration with full speed brake. An inflight shut down and restart followed by an emergency descent and a return to Humberside for circuits.

All the above felt good and behaviour was as expected, single engine work felt realistic and fairly benign to handle, it’s over 30 years since I last flew a little citation single engine but I remember that feeling similarly benign with the fuselage mounted engines.

I just wish I had some power, speed , config diagrams for the circuits so had to make something up, 180-190 downwind flaps 1 seemed ok for now, but probably way too fast.

The approaches were flown using AoA rather than bugging a Vref, and were very stable.

All in all I’d say you’d be very pleased with the sovereign’s flight model, I know I am , it flies beautifully , really does.

Using a motion rig and force feedback controls I’ve noticed a couple of things coming through.

There’s quite a big trim change required with speed change, not so much with config changes.Secondly I’m feeling an almost constant light choppiness through the motion platform, I quite like it to be honest, it feels realistic to flying. I can’t be certain, more testing required but I think it might be an unintentional mid frequency input from the yaw damper, as when I turned the YD off downwind for landing it seemed to go away, may just have been a coincidence.

As to this vs the Phenom? I think both flight models are excellent and model their respective aircraft very well and probably at a similar level, however as a personal preference the Sovereign just feels bigger and more solid which I personally prefer.

I’ve not flown the Phenom since last week, and only just had an hour in the sovereign so it’s hard to call the better one, but I do feel there is something a little deeper in the sovereign’s flight modelling and I did read there were several sovereign pilots developing the aircraft so I’m sure there are some genuine handling quirks they’ve baked in there.

The touch and go roll outs were very stable and realistic and felt better than the Phenom’s, though I’ve not tried the Phenom’s new high speed steering damper update.

Circuits though were a absolute joy to fly in the sovereign.

Also my loading issues from my earlier first load have gone so it must have been a first load hiccup.

Only had an hour up doing an engineering check out type flight but from what I’ve experienced so far I’m really, really ,liking it.

And I absolutely love having the flight test probe fitted on the nose, in VR it’s a really great 3D experience

Edited Tuesday at 09:59 PM4 days by jon b

16 minutes ago, JYW said:

I'm not one of the people who has had handling issues with the Phenom. I've found it very nice to hand fly, although nose wheel steering tracking is a little too sensitive IMHO.

The Sovereign is at least as nice to hand fly as the Phenom and tracks better on the take off roll and the landing role, which as we all know can be squirrelly as heck in MSFS2024!

I don't fly real jets but for "hand flying niceness" I'd rate the Phenom a solid 7.5 and the Sovereign a solid 8.5 👍

NICE!

I'm definitely a fan of the Phenom's handling, tho I've not quite got the hang of crosswind landings yet (still smoothing myself out on the Legacy 😉).

If it handles at least as well as the Phenom, then GREAT! If it handles BETTER, then fantastic!

Edited Tuesday at 09:59 PM4 days by UrgentSiesta