1 hour ago, jon b said:

@UrgentSiesta

Ironically I’ve just been doing my test flying over the North Sea and circuits at Humberside so had I got multiplayer on I might have spotter Bill @JYW .

I’ve been up to 10,000ft did some steep turns, clean stalls, landing config stalls, and departure stalls, accelerated to over speed and deceleration with full speed brake. An inflight shut down and restart followed by an emergency descent and a return to Humberside for circuits.

All the above felt good and behaviour was as expected, single engine work felt realistic and fairly benign to handle, it’s over 30 years since I last flew a little citation single engine but I remember that feeling similarly benign with the fuselage mounted engines.

I just wish I had some power, speed , config diagrams for the circuits so had to make something up, 180-190 downwind flaps 1 seemed ok for now, but probably way too fast.

The approaches were flown using AoA rather than bugging a Vref, and were very stable.

All in all I’d say you’d be very pleased with the sovereign’s flight model, I know I am , it flies beautifully , really does.

Using a motion rig and force feedback controls I’ve noticed a couple of things coming through.

There’s quite a big trim change required with speed change, not so much with config changes.Secondly I’m feeling an almost constant light choppiness through the motion platform, I quite like it to be honest, it feels realistic to flying. I can’t be certain, more testing required but I think it might be an unintentional mid frequency input from the yaw damper, as when I turned the YD off downwind for landing it seemed to go away, may just have been a coincidence.

As to this vs the Phenom? I think both flight models are excellent and model their respective aircraft very well and probably at a similar level, however as a personal preference the Sovereign just feels bigger and more solid which I personally prefer.

I’ve not flown the Phenom since last week, and only just had an hour in the sovereign so it’s hard to call the better one, but I do feel there is something a little deeper in the sovereign’s flight modelling and I did read there were several sovereign pilots developing the aircraft so I’m sure there are some genuine handling quirks they’ve baked in there.

The touch and go roll outs were very stable and realistic and felt better than the Phenom’s, though I’ve not tried the Phenom’s new high speed steering damper update.

Circuits though were a absolute joy to fly in the sovereign.

Also my loading issues from my earlier first load have gone so it must have been a first load hiccup.

Only had an hour up doing an engineering check out type flight but from what I’ve experienced so far I’m really, really ,liking it.

And I absolutely love having the flight test probe fitted on the nose, in VR it’s a really great 3D experience

Appreciate all that info - I had been hoping you’d chime in with the maneuvering results! 😁

I did notice the test probe shown in their video - a really nice touch 😎

I’m so glad these guys did a great job on it - seems like a Must Have.

It’s funny that this time last year we had just a couple good biz jets, and now a spate of legitimately Hi Fi versions are available (and at least one more pending in a few months 😁🤙).

How do you illuminate these screens?

2 hours ago, lehbird said:

How do you illuminate these screens?

2 hours ago, lehbird said:

How do you illuminate these screens?

Look at the pilots lower panel where the electrical switches are located. Top row, center switch is labeled "Electrical Interior". Select that switch to on.

An update was released over night:

v1.0.3 Released

This one addresses a number of performance issues that users were experiencing with the airplane. As this is a performance-critical build we've made the decision to upload it instantly to Orbx. This version has also been sent out to the 2024 marketplace and will be live in the next MP update cycle which will likely be tomorrow or Thursday.
If there is an issue or request that is not in the changelog then it has not made it into this build. Rest assured, we are still triaging and logging these items internally for subsequent updates.

Avionics & Systems

• Added support for the CENTER RUDDER keybind

• Fixed PDC not parsing CLR when receiving a clearance

• Fixed the ENGINE SHUTDOWN CAS message dismissing when the starter is disengaged during engine start

• Fixed the electrical synoptic on the PFD, not showing the correct power state of the windshield controllers

• Fixed the FUEL CROSSFEED caution CAS message from appearing when an incorrect flow is detected below a 60lb imbalance

Model & Textures

• Optimized model & textures to reduce VRAM usage

Sounds

• Added 1 minute until TOD aural

• Added noise cancellation effect to the speakers when music is being played and the headset is on

EFB & PAX Displays

• Added native compatibility to load and display passengers [EFB]

• Significantly reduced VRAM usage [PAX]

8 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I did notice the test probe shown in their video - a really nice touch 😎

I’m so glad these guys did a great job on it - seems like a Must Have

There’s a guy on FSelite who makes some interesting, and valid observations about the sovereign vs the phenom’s flight model.

I think JYW hit the nail on the head when he said the phenom team has spent development time making an overall day in the life of a corporate jet pilot experience with lots of peripheral parts, where as the sovereign team have concentrated more on the engineering of flight model.

Not saying it makes one overall better than the other it depends on what you are looking for, horses for courses and all that.

Yes, I’m really pleased by the inclusion of the flight test package as that’s the sort of flying I normally do, rather than the run of the mill A to B stuff.

Oh man that engine startup sound it is the best I heard!

2 hours ago, jon b said:

Hay un usuario en FSelite que hace algunas observaciones interesantes y válidas sobre el modelo de vuelo del Sovereign en comparación con el del Phenom.

Creo que JYW dio en el clavo cuando dijo que el equipo de Phenom ha dedicado tiempo de desarrollo a crear una experiencia completa de un día en la vida de un piloto de jet corporativo con muchos elementos periféricos, mientras que el equipo de Sovereign se ha concentrado más en la ingeniería del modelo de vuelo.

No digo que uno sea mejor que el otro en general; depende de lo que busques, cada cosa a su tiempo y todo eso.

Sí, estoy muy contento con la inclusión del paquete de pruebas de vuelo, ya que ese es el tipo de vuelo que suelo hacer, en lugar de los típicos vuelos de un punto A a un punto B.

That’s why I had my doubts about the 300. I have other products from the developer, and they come with a lot of extras that don’t interest me personally, but I’m not sure what it actually simulates or how it does it, even though I’ve read the manual.

I’m not saying it’s better or worse either; personally, based on what I’m reading here, this one might be closer to what I’m looking for in a simulator. In any case, I’ll wait a while to see more reviews—from experience, I know that once the hype dies down for these products, that’s when you really see the pros and cons.

This aircraft is much heavier than the Phenom is, so I'm curious, does it move around in air much or is it closer to like being on rails?
I tend to prefer flight models that do not have that solid/heaviness/ultra stable. If the wind blows I like a little light bump/sway to remind me im flying through air.

Edited Wednesday at 11:43 AM3 days by hangar

I just purchased my copy last night through the Marketplace, wow this plane is a rocket! I'm finding it a little difficult to control the vertical speed, even more than the Phenom 300, both super great products.

4 hours ago, hangar said:

This aircraft is much heavier than the Phenom is, so I'm curious, does it move around in air much or is it closer to like being on rails?
I tend to prefer flight models that do not have that solid/heaviness/ultra stable. If the wind blows I like a little light bump/sway to remind me im flying through air.

The weight of an aircraft is immaterial compared to its geometry.

3 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

The weight of an aircraft is immaterial compared to its geometry.

<sigh> ok well, more weight means more mass means more inertia means less getting tossed about in windy conditions...and besides all that, my question still remains unanswered by your self-serving comment, lol.

12 hours ago, rob0203 said:

Oh man that engine startup sound it is the best I heard!

I'm going to say ...... that this aircraft has the best overall sound package I've ever heard in any simulator.

It's like Boris - whose sound engineering was already fantastic - notches it up a level with each new project.

A moment when I literally couldn't get the smile off my face - if you fancy trying it; while starting the engines, open up that fantastic little cockpit window just behind the PIC's left shoulder (two levers to open it!). It sound is absolutely easrgasmic!!

47 minutes ago, hangar said:

<sigh> ok well, more weight means more mass means more inertia means less getting tossed about in windy conditions...and besides all that, my question still remains unanswered by your self-serving comment, lol.

<sigh> Physics isn’t self serving.

Your question of contrasting the handling of the aircraft and/or this addon relative to the Phenom is fair.

However, your premise of a heavier aircraft moving less is simply missing the mark by (at least) a mile.

If it were valid, nobody would ever get injured by turbulence on an airliner.

The chopiness / vibration that I mentioned I was feeling through my motion rig that I thought may be yaw damper, well it definitely is.

The yaw damper causing the rudder to flutter. Turning the YD off eliminates the vibration, and observing from an external view in flight you can see the rudder has some high frequency flutter.

I don’t think you’ll notice it unless you have a motion platform, the motion software can pick it up in the telemetry , but I don’t think it’s affecting the handling from what I can tell.

It could perhaps do with smoothing out or eliminating at some point in a future update if anyone connected is reading this.

3 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

<sigh> Physics isn’t self serving.

no, but your response certainly was, because it had nothing to do with answering the question being asked, and only served your own ego, clearly.... and please don't tell me that weight has no bearing on how well an aircraft can handle turbulence and winds because it clearly does.

Your argument to say that since people can get injured from turb in an airliner means that weight has no bearing on an aircraft's ability to handle winds and turb, is absurd. Please, just stop already.

Edited Thursday at 12:49 AM3 days by hangar