Wednesday at 11:59 PM2 days On 5/28/2026 at 8:21 AM, dbw1 said:In Canada the Liberal govt has killed off most VORs and NDBs. Sad and imho. as a retired 40 year pilot, not the smartest of moves.Let me guess, as a horse and buggy operator -- you absolutely hated the invention of the car? This is what you sound like.
Thursday at 02:53 AM2 days I don't understand this romanticism over VOR & NDB navigation. Having obtained an instrument rating back in the mid 80's, no such thing as GPS existed - in fact, you were lucky in GA to have an aircraft with DME or the luxury of a rudimentary autopilot.Now as an IFR instructor, give me modern technology any day of the week.Sure, it is a bit of fun in the sim to play with it, but the reality is the world runs on GPS now whether we like it or not.So, glass or analogue? Give me glass any day. David Porrett
Thursday at 03:49 AM2 days 42 minutes ago, DavidP said:I don't understand this romanticism over VOR & NDB navigation. Having obtained an instrument rating back in the mid 80's, no such thing as GPS existed - in fact, you were lucky in GA to have an aircraft with DME or the luxury of a rudimentary autopilot.Now as an IFR instructor, give me modern technology any day of the week.Sure, it is a bit of fun in the sim to play with it, but the reality is the world runs on GPS now whether we like it or not.So, glass or analogue? Give me glass any day.Ultimately it's gameplay – challenge, whatever you want to call it. Whatever sim you use, it's all just entertainment at the end of the day.And sure, glass is fantastic if you're doing real world flying, absolutely. But it just sucks out the fun in a sim. An NDB approach with no visibility with terrain around you is exciting. Takes skill, thought, attention. Trying out celestial navigation while flying over the ocean where there's a real chance you'll get lost – really fun. The Dark Souls of navigation.Following a magenta line for six hours - might as well look at Reddit on your phone or go watch a YouTube video. Or worse – flying a screen by way of synthetic vision. As soon as I see that big G1000 monstrosity in a plane it puts me to sleep. Couldn't care less about VORs in real life, except maybe to bore my wife to death as I explain what that round thing is when we drive by the airport.
Thursday at 12:38 PM2 days 8 hours ago, Georgleboui said:Following a magenta line for six hours - I can't get the DC-6 to follow the magenta line for six minutes, let alone 6 hours....☹️
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Thursday at 01:40 PM2 days 10 hours ago, DavidP said:I don't understand this romanticism over VOR & NDB navigation. Having obtained an instrument rating back in the mid 80's, no such thing as GPS existed - in fact, you were lucky in GA to have an aircraft with DME or the luxury of a rudimentary autopilot.IRL, sure you're not wrong. GPS and modern glass improve situational awareness and make flying safer. Period.But in the sim, flying a DC-6? Yep, I'd want to do it "old school" in the old school plane. One good anachronism deserves another after all."Sherman, set the wayback machine to the 1950's!" IYKYKScott
Thursday at 02:00 PM2 days Even in the 1990s and past 2000 holes in gps coverage were anything but uncommon. The last time I encountered one was approx 2012 in north western Ont actually doing a gps approach and the gps unit lost coverage. Did the missed at that point. Retired in 2016.
Thursday at 02:00 PM2 days On 5/28/2026 at 2:21 PM, dbw1 said:In Canada the Liberal govt has killed off most VORs and NDBs. Sad and imho. as a retired 40 year pilot, not the smartest of moves.Just a reminder Nav Canada is an independent body not governed by any political party and it's structure ensures that it can't be interfered with by lobbying groups. This was bound to happen regardless of who was in power as nav canada themselves determined they were unsustainable in terms of costs. Some of still kept for redundancy purpose, similar to the MON in FAA land.I love flying VORs as much as the next person, but as a pilot of 40 years, watching navigation evolve through the years, YOU of all people should know that GNSS is making for safer skies.Anyway, there's always mods like this one https://flightsim.to/addon/72415/worldwide-update-decommissioned-navigation-aids to help fill the gap for the decommissioned units that have been lost over the years.
Thursday at 02:19 PM2 days 18 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:Anyway, there's always mods like this one https://flightsim.to/addon/72415/worldwide-update-decommissioned-navigation-aids to help fill the gap for the decommissioned units that have been lost over the years.Nice, but unfortunately for MSFS2020 only. Surely not everybody was kung fu fighting. https://rationalwiki.org
Thursday at 04:49 PM2 days 2 hours ago, Lucky38i said:Just a reminder Nav Canada is an independent body not governed by any political party and it's structure ensures that it can't be interfered with by lobbying groups. This was bound to happen regardless of who was in power as nav canada themselves determined they were unsustainable in terms of costs. Some of still kept for redundancy purpose, similar to the MON in FAA land.I love flying VORs as much as the next person, but as a pilot of 40 years, watching navigation evolve through the years, YOU of all people should know that GNSS is making for safer skies.Anyway, there's always mods like this one https://flightsim.to/addon/72415/worldwide-update-decommissioned-navigation-aids to help fill the gap for the decommissioned units that have been lost over the years.Well, were we to sit down together over a coffee i would be happy to give you some insight. Nav Canada is not immune from political influence.
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