54 minutes ago, Kristofski said:

hmm I don't have this issue at all, but I don't have any CTD issues with MSFS2024. Something that I'd check - permissions settings, make sure you have admin or the files wont save/update correctly. The fuel quantity is constant between flights, so there is a save file somewhere that is remembering what the previous flight ended with. It sounds like that isn't able to be overwritten, or there a mismatch when you load up the second time.

I assume this is Free Flight; can you try loading the HH65B variant, cold and dark, do the preflight and enter, but do not start the engines. Open the tpad, not the EFB, and go to the weight and balance and check fuel numbers, write them down. Then hit ESC, End Flight, back out to the main menu, back into free flight, load up cold and dark again, and see if it crashes. If not, enter and start up the engines (confirm fuel is the same, it should be). Let some fuel burn, fly around a bit I guess, then do a shutdown. Check the tpad and note the fuel. ESC, End Flight, Main Menu, and try again. Maybe skip to runway start. See if that crashes. If all that works in the same variant, then you can probably rule out permissions.

A couple more q's - does it crash switching from the Taog to a stock/default aircraft? Or only between the Dolphin/Dauphin variants? Does it crash if you do the reverse - start out with a C172, then switch to the Dolphin - does that crash? Does it crash on runway starts as well, or do you always start cold and dark?

Hi thanks for helping out. You're definitely on to something I think - from a few more tests it's always when I use the Dauphin/Dolphin to take my second flight of a session, regardless of which aircraft I flew first, so it's probably getting its knickers in a twist with the save files and is unable to resolve so it just crashes instead.

I tried running MSFS24 as administrator, makes no difference. Tried uninstalling and reinstalling all 8Gb of the product, also doesn't help. Looks like it's just something I'll have to live with - as others have reported similar then at least I know it's not something unique to my system. Have to say though I've never come across such an issue before in 700+ hours on MS24.

It's very frustrating as I adore Taog's other helicopters - got the 500, Huey and Alouette and love them to bits which is why I'm so frustrated that this one has been nothing but trouble.

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

Have you inquired about this on their Discord? They’re very involved there.

Do you have any MarketPlace addons active, either…?

Any custom liveries…?

I do actually run into this problem with PMDG products, as well, and if I end up plane-hopping during a session.

I suspect it’s as much a simulator Memory Scavenging issue as anything else.

In re PMDG, IIRC - it’s actually their official advice not to run multiple aircraft per session, and has been since the old FSX/P3D days. And come to think of it, either they don’t even want you to boot directly in to their addon, or from another complex addon or some such…

I.e., There are always addons (and computer programs in general) that are more particular than others.

It creates a rather simple choice in terms of deciding what to fly. 🤙

Yeah I did look at their Discord site and asked a question in the chat which hasn't yet been answered. Can't seem to create a specific bug report as it says I need a tag which I don't have - tried to get one but there doesn't seem to be any way of getting one unless I'm missing something. Never mind.

I've tried pretty much everything anyway and nothing seems to work. Already spent enough time trying to chase it, probably will just have to give up on it and use some other helis instead.

4 hours ago, Saintmike5 said:

Yeah I did look at their Discord site and asked a question in the chat which hasn't yet been answered. Can't seem to create a specific bug report as it says I need a tag which I don't have - tried to get one but there doesn't seem to be any way of getting one unless I'm missing something. Never mind.

I've tried pretty much everything anyway and nothing seems to work. Already spent enough time trying to chase it, probably will just have to give up on it and use some other helis instead.

So I was interested to test a few things out and see if I could get either the Dolphin or Dauphin or anything else to crash the sim.

I figured I’d load up only “heavy”, complex 3rd Party addons and see how far I could get before the sim crashed.

My usual testing airfield is MCAS Kaneohe in Hawaii. A, because it’s a beautiful area, but mainly because it’s a Default airport that looks out into the open ocean with a minimum of scenery objects, terrain, cities, etc. And it’s just big enough to handle anything up to an A330.

I’m going to have to find an even more out of the way place that’s similar but that doesn’t even have a World Update to complicate the matter. Maybe Diego Garcia…

Anyhoo…

My goal was to load the aircraft, takeoff and perform a single lap around the landing pattern for a full stop landing.

I loaded up the PMDG 737 BBJ1 on top of its new update, even…

Then the HH-65 Dolphin (I did get the dreaded “GPU” warning, but no further issues

Then the MilViz C-130, which isn’t known as a highly optimized addon, and was a fresh update/compile,

Then the Black Square Baron…

Then the HH-65 again…

Then the TMS YF-23…

then the AS365 Dauphin (which also needed a compile since I haven’t flown it at all in the latest release)

Then the FSW Lear 35

And then I got tired of doing laps 😂

TBH, I was expecting it to crash at any point since addon hopping like that will crash it sooner or later

Now, all this is NOT to say it’s your fault, but that you may want to check a few things before you give up on the helo. And IMHO its presently The Best complex helo in the sim, so I’d really hate to see you avoid it

I think perhaps the “GPU…” warning I got is a clue to chase down. Could be that Taogs still needs to optimize textures and LoDs and such:

One thing I always do is give the sim & addon PLENTY of time to finish fully loading. I.e., I load the flight & aircraft, but I pause for at least a minute at the “Ready to Fly” screen. I’m basically waiting for my FPS to rise above 30+

Another test is to load up at an isolated dirt strip out in the middle of nowhere, and see if it’s stable

Adjust your screen & sim resolution down one size (this should make a huge improvement in terms of performance and stability in general)

Or just adjust your graphics settings down a tad (I have to do this if I want to fly into any of the NYC airfields)

Or fly the 365 before any other addon…

Or restart the sim before you fly it

Whatever it is, keep trying - it’s worth it 🤙

ETA: just wanted to add that l didn’t change any settings or disable any addons for the above test. I don’t have a TON of addons enabled, but there are a good handful of aircraft and accessories like Seafront Simulations, MilTech ships, traffic enabled, live players and real time traffic, too 👍

Edited July 23Jul 23 by UrgentSiesta

15 hours ago, Saintmike5 said:

from a few more tests it's always when I use the Dauphin/Dolphin to take my second flight of a session, regardless of which aircraft I flew first

Silly question maybe but, does it crash if you do two flights with the same variant? For example, try doing a short lap with the HH65B then shut it down and end flight, back to main menu, back to free flight - dont change the variant or anything - and try loading into the same place again. If that crashes, that would narrow it down to a variant issue (which I might then think it was control settings related) vs an issue with the whole package.

Also something to try - check the external tab in the tPad and see what you have turned on; its possible something there isn't loading correctly. Turn off all the extra lights/camera/fast rope/fire attachments if you have any on and see if that save between flights/crashes. Even after crashing, it sounds like its maintaining your keybinds (you don't have to re-bind every time, right?) so probably not a permissions issue - did the fuel quantities remain the same between flights?

I'm probably in a very small minority of folks actually doing career mode with helicopters (Steam achievements say 0.8% of players have 50 or more helo landings) but you could try an employee mission if you have the certifications and see if it works there vs free flight. TBH I really enjoy using the HH65 in career mode, its scratching all the itches, so don't give up on it!

8 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

So I was interested to test a few things out and see if I could get either the Dolphin or Dauphin or anything else to crash the sim.

I figured I’d load up only “heavy”, complex 3rd Party addons and see how far I could get before the sim crashed.

My usual testing airfield is MCAS Kaneohe in Hawaii. A, because it’s a beautiful area, but mainly because it’s a Default airport that looks out into the open ocean with a minimum of scenery objects, terrain, cities, etc. And it’s just big enough to handle anything up to an A330.

I’m going to have to find an even more out of the way place that’s similar but that doesn’t even have a World Update to complicate the matter. Maybe Diego Garcia…

Anyhoo…

My goal was to load the aircraft, takeoff and perform a single lap around the landing pattern for a full stop landing.

I loaded up the PMDG 737 BBJ1 on top of its new update, even…

Then the HH-65 Dolphin (I did get the dreaded “GPU” warning, but no further issues

Then the MilViz C-130, which isn’t known as a highly optimized addon, and was a fresh update/compile,

Then the Black Square Baron…

Then the HH-65 again…

Then the TMS YF-23…

then the AS365 Dauphin (which also needed a compile since I haven’t flown it at all in the latest release)

Then the FSW Lear 35

And then I got tired of doing laps 😂

TBH, I was expecting it to crash at any point since addon hopping like that will crash it sooner or later

Now, all this is NOT to say it’s your fault, but that you may want to check a few things before you give up on the helo. And IMHO its presently The Best complex helo in the sim, so I’d really hate to see you avoid it

I think perhaps the “GPU…” warning I got is a clue to chase down. Could be that Taogs still needs to optimize textures and LoDs and such:

One thing I always do is give the sim & addon PLENTY of time to finish fully loading. I.e., I load the flight & aircraft, but I pause for at least a minute at the “Ready to Fly” screen. I’m basically waiting for my FPS to rise above 30+

Another test is to load up at an isolated dirt strip out in the middle of nowhere, and see if it’s stable

Adjust your screen & sim resolution down one size (this should make a huge improvement in terms of performance and stability in general)

Or just adjust your graphics settings down a tad (I have to do this if I want to fly into any of the NYC airfields)

Or fly the 365 before any other addon…

Or restart the sim before you fly it

Whatever it is, keep trying - it’s worth it 🤙

ETA: just wanted to add that l didn’t change any settings or disable any addons for the above test. I don’t have a TON of addons enabled, but there are a good handful of aircraft and accessories like Seafront Simulations, MilTech ships, traffic enabled, live players and real time traffic, too 👍

Thanks again, yes I do hate to give up on things and I did try again this morning for a couple of hours but I don't think there's anything left for me to try now sadly. I've done all of the various suggested steps now with nothing making any difference.

At least I can at least get one flight out of it each session as long as I make sure it's the first flight! Cheers for your help.

Finally found the culprit that was causing my issues! There's a Marketplace addon called Airshow Assistant that I've been using for a while, but it seems to cause a conflict with the AS365 for some reason. Disabling the addon on the Marketplace seems to sort out the issues! What a relief!

1 hour ago, Saintmike5 said:

Finally found the culprit that was causing my issues! There's a Marketplace addon called Airshow Assistant that I've been using for a while, but it seems to cause a conflict with the AS365 for some reason. Disabling the addon on the Marketplace seems to sort out the issues! What a relief!

THAT is the one I meant when advising a few posts ago! They specifically called it out a couple weeks back in Discord 😁👍

So glad you found the culprit! Now go have fun! 😎

Edited July 23Jul 23 by UrgentSiesta

7 hours ago, Saintmike5 said:

Finally found the culprit that was causing my issues! There's a Marketplace addon called Airshow Assistant that I've been using for a while, but it seems to cause a conflict with the AS365 for some reason. Disabling the addon on the Marketplace seems to sort out the issues! What a relief!

I am really glad you found the real culprit... and it was "NOT" the helicopter at fault as you had claimed .

All's well that ends well, some say - except maybe a few lost sales .

You got your satisfaction ......

..... What a relief!

Edited July 24Jul 24 by aerostar

Just had an email from just flight saying the new 2024 version of aerosoft’s North Sea is available at a discount as I have the 2020 version.

I’ve upgraded for cosmetic reasons only because I think it adds a lot to the seas surrounding the British Isles, I can’t fly helicopters but thought I’d mention it to you guys that can. Lots of rigs , platforms and ships to land on,along with associated NDBs

Edited July 24Jul 24 by jon b

I saw that Aerosoft product, how does it compare to the default Asobo North Sea platforms etc?

Not been flying in that area yet with the new version , but certainly the 2020 version had very detailed models, I think 24 by default has much more wind turbines than 2020.

Going off my experience with the 2020 version I expect this to be one of those ad ons you don’t no you need until you have it, a bit like global shipping ( which this integrates with apparently)

One thing I liked was the description says models are visible from 40,000ft, as I often find myself at 40,000ft over the North Sea IRL I can confirm those wind farms are a prominent feature.

4 hours ago, jon b said:

I can’t fly helicopters but thought I’d mention it to you guys that can. Lots of rigs , platforms and ships to land on,along with associated NDBs

Trust me: if you can ride a motorcycle, you can fly a helo. 😁🤙

And just like a bike, it’s only the first couple of rides that are difficult.

There are few flight sim things more satisfying than the Taog’s OH-6 with the doors off, and there’s no helmet required! 😂👍

I’ve dabbled with whirlybirds but never really got on too well, recently found a second hand book in a museum shop called The Helicopter: History, Piloting and How it Flies by John Fay so might give it a read over winter and have a go.

I’m thinking the Joby Aviation EVTOL is the future !

2 minutes ago, jon b said:

I’ve dabbled with whirlybirds but never really got on too well, recently found a second hand book in a museum shop called The Helicopter: History, Piloting and How it Flies by John Fay so might give it a read over winter and have a go.

I’m thinking the Joby Aviation EVTOL is the future !

I highly recommend you give it another go!

Hardest part is that helo controls seem kinda “opposite” fixed wings. 😂

But once it clicks, it’s super satisfying. IMHO the best hand flying experience available. 👍

14 minutes ago, jon b said:

I’ve dabbled with whirlybirds but never really got on too well, recently found a second hand book in a museum shop called The Helicopter: History, Piloting and How it Flies by John Fay so might give it a read over winter and have a go.

I’m thinking the Joby Aviation EVTOL is the future !

And while I like IRL aviation manuals myself (no, really…), please allow me to recommend this fully illustrated primer on a flight sim helo (in fact, it’s exactly how I personally learned to succeed with helos 🙂):

https://chucksguides.com/aircraft/dcs/uh-1h/

Now, bear with me a moment…

Yes, it’s for another simulator, BUT…

It just so happens we have a very good UH-1 in MSFS for free…

In it, Chuck emphasizes the importance of heavily adjusted Sensitivity and Extremity Dead Zones (Curves and Saturation in DCS)…

And he has several illustrated sections on the mechanics of rotary wing flight.

Obviously, you can ignore all the parts in re weapons and combat. BUT if you ever get the urge, the addon is frequently on sale for $25 😎