September 27, 200916 yr It appears to be the Flight Gear simulation (which in itself is an open source/freeware), repackaged and with added content/features so it's not "just" a repackage.If it sounds or looks good, check out FLight Gear first, then see what added value the " Flight Pro Sim" package brings to the experience.
September 27, 200916 yr It looks as though someone is ripping off the volunteers of the FlightGear team, by taking their freeware offering and marketing it to the unaware and gullible for their own personal profit.I may be wrong, but I'd be interested in Curtis Olsen's (Main man of FlightGear) take on this.If I'm right, I'll personally volunteer to string up "Charlie Taylor" by a delicate part of his anatomy :( Petraeus
September 28, 200916 yr Moderator It looks as though someone is ripping off the volunteers of the FlightGear team, by taking their freeware offering and marketing it to the unaware and gullible for their own personal profit.I may be wrong, but I'd be interested in Curtis Olsen's (Main man of FlightGear) take on this.If I'm right, I'll personally volunteer to string up "Charlie Taylor" by a delicate part of his anatomy :(And this is different than "Red Hat" selling the Open Source Linux OS package how???Flight Gear is not "freeware," it is "Open Source" which is a different kettle of fish entirely. Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
September 28, 200916 yr And this is different than "Red Hat" selling the Open Source Linux OS package how???Flight Gear is not "freeware," it is "Open Source" which is a different kettle of fish entirely.So are you saying that what Flight Pro Sim are doing is ethical, morally acceptable? Petraeus
September 28, 200916 yr Commercial Member There is no license nor copyright easily locatable at FlightGear's website.That would indeed make it 100% legit... albeit less than ethical. It's not being stolen... unfortunately. Ed Wilson Mindstar AviationMy Playland - I69
September 28, 200916 yr Flight Pro Sim is advertized on flightgear.org MSFS Premium Deluxe Edition; Windows 11 Pro, I9-9900k; Asus Maximus XI Hero; Asus TUF RTX3080TI; 32GB G.Skill Ripjaw DDR4 3600; 2X Samsung 1TB 970EVO; NZXT Kraken X63; Seasonic Prime PX-1000, LG 48" C1 Series OLED, Honeycomb Yoke & TQ, CH Rudder Pedals, Logitech G13 Gamepad
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September 28, 200916 yr Moderator So are you saying that what Flight Pro Sim are doing is ethical, morally acceptable?Are the Red Hat and SuSE distributions ethical and morally acceptable?How about Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu?The very fact that Flight Pro Sim is being advertised at the flightgear.org site itself should be evidence enough that the nice folks at flightgear don't have a problem with it... :( Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
September 28, 200916 yr Those familiar with Flight Gear will immediately recognize it as a priced version of Flight Gear. Why on earth would you want to buy Flight Gear, when you can get it fro free? The fact that it's repackaged with additional aircraft (you can probably download them all from the FG website) and more scenery (which you can also get from websites, probably) doesn't seem to me like a good deal at all. Certainly not for $47, when you can get FSX for $60 and have a much better experience (or even FS9, for under $20!). Nah, if you want to try it, download FlightGear, but I assure you, it's inferior to MSFS in just about every way - the only thing that's really nice about it, is that there's a Mac version... Benjamin van Soldt Windows 10 64bit - i5-8600k @ 4.7GHz - ASRock Fatality K6 Z370 - EVGA GTX1070 SC 8GB VRAM - 16GB Corsair Vengeance LPX @ 3200MHz - Samsung 960 Evo SSD M.2 NVMe 500GB - 2x Samsung 860 Evo SSD 1TB (P3Dv4/5 drive) - Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM - Seasonic FocusPlus Gold 750W - Noctua DH-15S - Fractal Design Focus G (White) Case
September 28, 200916 yr Are the Red Hat and SuSE distributions ethical and morally acceptable?How about Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu?You tell me - what are they?The very fact that Flight Pro Sim is being advertised at the flightgear.org site itself should be evidence enough that the nice folks at flightgear don't have a problem with it... :(There are no adverts for it on flightgear.org, unless they are Ads by Google coming up at random. There is however a forum thread questioning Flight Pro Sim's legality, and pointing out that they are using FlightGear screenshots in their own advertisements without permission.If they comply with the GNU/GPL licence then they probably are acting legally according to the strict definition of the term. But legal is not necessarily ethical, and taking something developed and available for free, and selling it to unwary punters on eBay for "$97 no $67 no $47 (This early-bird offer expires soon)" is incredibly sleazy. Petraeus
September 28, 200916 yr Open Source Applications allow for the free distrubution of such App, and may charge what ever they want for what ever modifications they make, so long as the Open Source terms (EULA) and the Apps Source code including it's modifications are included. So selling it is perfectly legal, so long as the the source code is included. Whether it is morally right is another matter, but it was the developers of Flight Gear that chose to go Open Source instead of normal freeware with distribution restrictions. Thanks Tom My Youtube Videos! http://www.youtube.com/user/tf51d
September 28, 200916 yr Are the Red Hat and SuSE distributions ethical and morally acceptable?How about Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu?The very fact that Flight Pro Sim is being advertised at the flightgear.org site itself should be evidence enough that the nice folks at flightgear don't have a problem with it... :(Bill, you seem to have strong (angry?) views on this but your real point or motivation isn't clear. You seem to feel the need to strongly defend the position of someone taking the work that other people have done for free, and commercially selling it (whether legal or not) ?Just one question ........ why ?I think the rest of us have a natural response to this along the lines of "heck, that's just not on, selling a free flight sim developed by someone else, for money" ...... but all we are seeing from you is "IT'S FINE, IT'S FINE ! ! ! ! ".Instead or bleating out Linux versions or whatever they were you were ranting about, why not elaborate on the basis of your point ?Davido.
September 28, 200916 yr Instead or bleating out Linux versions or whatever they were you were ranting about, why not elaborate on the basis of your point ?Davido.How is the "basis of [his] point" unclear? He is drawing a comparison to another well known instance where an open-source project has been modified extensively, then sold for a price. It seems pretty clear that he's saying that it falls within the confines of the EULA, and that given the existance of such widely known (and used) products such as red Hat and Fedora, there's nothing unreasonable or unethical about it.And that Flight Pro ad sure is prominently displayed on the front page of the flightgear site. If it's not representative of the team's views, they should probably take that down.Nick
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