I like bushflying and short flights (30 to 45 minutes all included), but I also like complicated planes (like the big PMDG airliners, etc.) Anyone knows of a complicated GA that can be used for low and slow...? (The Quest Kodiak comes close, but unfortunately it won't run on my system. And it isn't complicated enough. Very nice plane nonetheless.) Right now I fly the C182RG and the C185F, but well, there is nothing complicated about those planes... I want a plane that keeps me busy (with learning how to use it and while flying) but that will still enable me to get the most out of for instance the upcoming PNW. I fear a plane like that doesn't exist (what real life pilot wants to setup an FMC for a 30 minute flight...?) but who knows...

Try the B377 with the Accusim expansion from A2A. Talk about complexity :( http://www.a2asimulations.com/377.html

Correct!And for the beginners, take the A2A P47, and then, when advanced, wait for the A2A-B17 :(

May we suggest a Cirrus SR22 or SR22 Turbo? :(

merge the Majestic dash 8 with the dreamwings -100 model.Nice way to fly 800-900 meter strips.

Okay, I will play. :( First off, you need to define "complicated" in terms of what you are intending to do. FMC and bush flying are not really meant to go hand in hand. Since I am familiar with your style of flying, I doubt you will have much success inputting an FMC plan to go up to Oakridge State Oregon (for example) in the upcoming FTX PNW scenery.So let's scratch out the Kodiak since you say your system does not run it. I would presume then that your "complicated" requirement would be real-life GPS application. So then let's bring in the RXP Garmins into play. And the right plane to have them in there. Ever tried the Flight1 PC-12 (FSX)? You could swap the 430's in there for the RXP's (pretty sure it can be done, and I know you are okay with panel edits). With the RXP's, you directly input your flightplan, can include custom waypoints (that would be essential for "complicated... PNW flying"), you have access to tons of data, can have it calculate descent, etc. Another plus is that unlike with OZx fields, most (if not all) small fields in the FTX PNW release will be in the database (don't quote me on that, but I am pretty sure they will). And the Garmins show more info in the USA than for Australia (roads, railways, powerlines, rivers, etc).Okay, so the PC-12 is a bit of an older release. You can also look at the G1000's of Don K. over at FS2X. Don includes custom 172 and Caravan with them. They are solid units (in your complicated category) that allow lots of user input (like the RXP garmins). Don as also refined the flight models of the default 172 and 208. And I still think the VC in the default 172 is not that bad. A new update is coming soon also (to the FS2X G1000). Another option would be to launch yourself (heck, I might help you out) in refitting other planes you enjoy with the RXP Garmins.One way or the other, I think to answer your question I would say forget about FMC's and look instead for the most complete GPS systems available.

Just wanted to quickly add that there are probably other good options out there also that I did not touch. My post was not intended to ignore anyone, but I touched products I am familiar with.

Ever tried the Flight1 PC-12 (FSX)? You could swap the 430's in there for the RXP's (pretty sure it can be done, and I know you are okay with panel edits).

I would second the PC-12... Download the video from: http://www.flightvideoproductions.com/pilatus.htmand install an RXP GNS unit into the Flight1 Pilatus and you are set for PNW!

If you're realism freak looking for a challenge, A2A is the only way to go IMHO.It's amazing when i take P47, Cub or a Stratocruiser for a spin and i find myself thinking about the engine internals and how the engine works instead of simply monitoring the gauges. Add a whole bunch of speed limitations to this (cowl flaps, gear, flaps), oxygen system (P47), properly handling the turbocharger and then it's the only true "sim in a sim" for me.Since you're looking for a bush flying plane, i would highly recommend P47 with Accusim expansion.

Thanks for all the tips so far! :)The problem is of course that more complex planes are usually the bigger ones. The B377 or the PC-12 are already to big, it seems to me. I might look into the PC-12 but it's an older release indeed and doesn't really look up to date in the graphics department. And the P-47... I've never flown older aircraft and it seems a bit weird flying in the bush with an old World War II plane...? And isn't it WAY too fast? The RXP GPS's... completely forgot about them, stupid me. They will indeed offer you something to keep you busy. You can regard them as some sort of FMC for GA's. And they do come with a huge manual. ;) Accusim sounds very interesting, because that has more to do with the actual flying. But I can't say I like the current supported planes... The Cub seems nice enough but it's too slow and I don't like sitting in the back. ;) Yes, I am picky. :( Well, lot's of choices already... Keep the suggestions coming, please! ;) I will dive into the RXP GPS's a bit and see if I can make good use of it in one of my current planes. The nice thing is indeed you can use it in all kinds of planes!

Back in FS9, I had a fully RXP customized Carenado 182RG. Complete with Garmins and the Flightline gauges. It was my personal panel mod masterpiece! I also had worked on a version with the Sandel built-in. Oh the fun...I guess the biggest thing when trying to include RXP garmins in panel is the various 3d knobs, etc. I must admit I mostly abandoned the panel config obsession and now spend my time flying instead.

Keep the suggestions coming, please! ;) I will dive into the RXP GPS's a bit and see if I can make good use of it in one of my current planes. The nice thing is indeed you can use it in all kinds of planes!

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The PMDG J41 would be a great choice.It's very deep in systems simulation, it's perfect for short hops at low altitude, it's fast, it has an FMS that you don't need to use in order to fly, and she SOUNDS great!Not to mention the joy of handflying...the flight model is very solid, and she handles very nicely.

Thanks for all the tips so far! :)The problem is of course that more complex planes are usually the bigger ones. The B377 or the PC-12 are already to big, it seems to me. I might look into the PC-12 but it's an older release indeed and doesn't really look up to date in the graphics department.

That's an interesting comment abut the PC-12 graphics. I fly it a lot in VC with Trackir and I reckon it is one of the best as far as VC graphics go. Plenty of repaints about and will land on a dime if you need that short field facility. It was completely redone for FSX and looks good at a large airport or next to a bush dunny. It also has reverse thrust to help with those short fields. :(Its a flight1 product with a money back guarantee. How can you lose.

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Hm, interesting...! I never thought about getting a 'real life' book about flying for FSX...! But it could indeed enhance the experience a lot: the Garmin manual is just a manual, unlike this book. Interesting. I will really consider this! It will surely help to get more out of the DXP GNS.

The PMDG J41 would be a great choice.It's very deep in systems simulation, it's perfect for short hops at low altitude, it's fast, it has an FMS that you don't need to use in order to fly, and she SOUNDS great!Not to mention the joy of handflying...the flight model is very solid, and she handles very nicely.

Okay, another interesting one. It surely does have the looks!!! I didn't know or realize it could be used for short and low hops... But my perfect plane shouldn't be too fast. Another one to look into.

That's an interesting comment abut the PC-12 graphics. I fly it a lot in VC with Trackir and I reckon it is one of the best as far as VC graphics go. Plenty of repaints about and will land on a dime if you need that short field facility. It was completely redone for FSX and looks good at a large airport or next to a bush dunny. It also has reverse thrust to help with those short fields. :(Its a flight1 product with a money back guarantee. How can you lose.

Well, it was my first impression... I will have a look at some more screenshots and maybe movies.You guys sure give me a lot to look into! ;)