I absolutely agree that the nr.1 is no doubt the MADDOG. All systems simulated, including working circuit breakers! It even happens that you may find say the APU failed and the item is written in the Hold Items List with the aircraft disptached in accordance with the related MEL. Then weather radar, terrain display, control panel through which you can manage the failures, like in the real simulator. These just to name a few. Further, I now only fly with FS2Crew, that provides the maximum of realism, and the match Maddog + Fs2Crew Voice Commander is the best, no unrealistic "mini panels" appears as with the PMDG planes (due to the lack of PMDG SDK) and everything is smooth and you will do procedures by heart after some training. Of course I fly only VC + TrackIR, another MUST for realism.I also have the LDS 767, that I have flown from 2005 to 2010 and was my preferred one, but at the same level I would put the 747 PMDG. I can't say anything about the iFly 737 and PMDG MD11, since I don't own them, but the lack of the Maddog features that I mentioned can't put them at the top of the list.What I also like of the Maddog is the fact that every knob or switch can be actuated with the mouse wheel, while for example on the 747 PMDG you always have to click with left mouse button to turn counterclockwise and with the right button for clockwise, it's not so nice.Lastly, on my system I don't notice a worse impact on fps with the Maddog compared with the other airplanes. In fact, in the VC the 747 PMDG gives me slightly less fps than the Maddog.

I never understood the reports of framerate problems with the Maddog. It's being accepted as gospel with most of the customers failing to refute the claims. I fly in the VC exclusively and have had no issue.

Some good suggestions so far, but one that I don't think anyone has mentioned in this thread is the Suprunov Design Yak-40. Admittedly it's only a small regional airliner, but then again that does make it quite practical if you don't have ten hours to spare in which to fly a big jetliner, and it is certainly one of the most in-depth simulations of an aeroplane for FS9. It's a bit of a frame rate hog, but well worth a look. It has an excellent manual too, which you will need to look at incidentally, because it's a realistic simulation of the real aeroplane including all that entails as far as 'getting it going' is concerned.Al

Some good suggestions so far, but one that I don't think anyone has mentioned in this thread is the Suprunov Design Yak-40. Admittedly it's only a small regional airliner, but then again that does make it quite practical if you don't have ten hours to spare in which to fly a big jetliner, and it is certainly one of the most in-depth simulations of an aeroplane for FS9. It's a bit of a frame rate hog, but well worth a look. It has an excellent manual too, which you will need to look at incidentally, because it's a realistic simulation of the real aeroplane including all that entails as far as 'getting it going' is concerned.Al

You forgot to say Alan that, it's probably the cheapest too :( :( Saying that, I did have problems with it in understanding not only that but the PTU154 too.

I don't think anyone has mentioned in this thread is the Suprunov Design Yak-40

True, I wonder why Gavin forgot that one! :wink:I guess it's great stuff too. I simply did not purchase it yet.But it is still on my GTL (Great Temptations List).

My favourite. Will be watching :(

I have made some 95 alterations and additions. Plus many more as and when time permits. It will also include full on authentic check lists with almost every item mirrored in the model!!vololiberista

Just tipping my hat to a fellow real old time simmer who knows what's what :( . Respect to anybody who remembers EE767 panel v7 (and it's precursors). That panel and Eric's docs taught me the basic universal principles of pneumatics, fuel and electrical systems on a jet. That knowledge has served me well on every complex aircraft since. In fact I never had another 767 again until LDS, and I just jumped in and flew.

And "this" old-timer remembers when Eric was a Saab 340 pilot flying out of NY before he transitioned into the plane his dad flew, the 767 of course. :( I wonder how many here cut their flightsim teeth on Sublogic's ATP? (I still have the BROWN manual), hehe.Regards,Steve Dra

I do still have the Sublogic ATP book (the french edition was not brown but red, but the box, with its three 5 1/4(HD, high density for 1.4Mb!) floppy disks was brown, with a dusk cockpit picture on it)I have the book right now in my hands and can read on the cover: IBM/Tandy/Compatibles...Tandy! Anyone remember? :( I also read Sublogic was stamped "The Flight Simulator People", based ion Champaign, IL.I sure cut my teeth with the 96 assignements. Still remember the sleepless nights and the four huge route charts for the US. Good memories.Damn, no mouses nor VC by then, I see at the end of the book all the keyboard assignements and I recall that I knew all of them.

would love to see a screenshot of these old books and disks :)

would love to see a screenshot

Haha. Its actually not a bad cover shot.thanks

Hehe, that's going off topic but it's so funny...That was the box indeed, I dont have it anylonger, I only kept the book...Wait...it's all dated 1990...takes us a while back...more than twenty years ago...

I do still have the Sublogic ATP book (the french edition was not brown but red, but the box, with its three 5 1/4(HD, high density for 1.4Mb!) floppy disks was brown, with a dusk cockpit picture on it)I have the book right now in my hands and can read on the cover: IBM/Tandy/Compatibles...Tandy! Anyone remember? :( I also read Sublogic was stamped "The Flight Simulator People", based ion Champaign, IL.I sure cut my teeth with the 96 assignements. Still remember the sleepless nights and the four huge route charts for the US. Good memories.Damn, no mouses nor VC by then, I see at the end of the book all the keyboard assignements and I recall that I knew all of them.

Ahh yes the 96 assignments! I flew the 767 almost exclusivly, but the little SHORTS and it was a blast. I think I might still have the charts too...will have to look when I'm home.

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Some good suggestions so far, but one that I don't think anyone has mentioned in this thread is the Suprunov Design Yak-40. Admittedly it's only a small regional airliner, but then again that does make it quite practical if you don't have ten hours to spare in which to fly a big jetliner, and it is certainly one of the most in-depth simulations of an aeroplane for FS9. It's a bit of a frame rate hog, but well worth a look. It has an excellent manual too, which you will need to look at incidentally, because it's a realistic simulation of the real aeroplane including all that entails as far as 'getting it going' is concerned.Al

Absolutely agree. Again though based on my total lack of real world experience.

True, I wonder why Gavin forgot that one! :wink:I guess it's great stuff too. I simply did not purchase it yet.But it is still on my GTL (Great Temptations List).

Probably because the older I get, the dumber I get. Doh!