Do you honestly think that a twice monthly paper magazine from the UK is read by more flight sim enthusiasts worldwide than the possible INSTANT same info here on Avsim, Fligtsim.com and SimHQ?Do you really?

Average Joe doesnt know about Avsim .... but you can see a PC Pilot in the magazine section of most major bookstores in the US.  The "potential" reach is greater with PC Pilot.

Do you honestly think that a twice monthly paper magazine from the UK is read by more flight sim enthusiasts worldwide than the possible INSTANT same info here on Avsim, Fligtsim.com and SimHQ?

Almost certainly not, but as others have noted, it is probably a better shot at getting people who don't frequent forums such as this, but who have an interest in aviation, to investigate the matter. The chances are that almost everyone on Avsim will at least check out a demo of Flight when it releases, many will buy it too, but they are not the only people MS are after.Al

I dont think they will do it, what grates is folk like Bill Leaming constantly reminding us he will be on the team and then dishing out sarcastic comments to us mere mortals every other post.

Sarcastic? Where? When? Constantly? Have you ever read any other forums where 99.9% of my posting occurs?It's folks who hide behind pseudonymns and toss out ad hominem attacks they'd never dare to do face-to-face that turn me off to most non-technical forums. :(

I hope only one thing!a new engine with no compatibility with all the addons.I know this would be terrificant for everyone has tons of addons, but keeping a connection with the old engine for let the addons running on flight, would be keeping always the same problem: cpu depending.With a totally new engine it's possible having an engine based on the new hardware. And a totally new engine means a new concept, new files and new kind of file extension that makes the addons impossible to adapt.Always in my honest opinion!

Almost certainly not, but as others have noted, it is probably a better shot at getting people who don't frequent forums such as this, but who have an interest in aviation, to investigate the matter. The chances are that almost everyone on Avsim will at least check out a demo of Flight when it releases, many will buy it too, but they are not the only people MS are after.Al

How? If you don't read information on FREE flight simulation websites are you going to really BUY a flight simulation magazine? AND if you have an interest in aviation but know nothing about Flight Simulation you're going to buy "Flying Magazine" not "PC Pilot." I don't know one car enthusiast who buys "Racing Simulation" magazine and I don't know one pilot who buys "PC Pilot" unless he or she is a pilot who just so happens to be a flight simulation enthusiast.

MS doesn't care to post at AVSIM, FlightSim or Sim HQ because of the rudeness they were exposed to the last time they tried this.

Jim - I respectfully disagreeWas the "rudeness" here worse than the feedback MS got for Microsoft BOB? Windows 98? WindowsME? Windows Vista? How about that stupid paperclip thing that they included in Microsoft Word? How about by the various judges that passed antitrust legislation against them? How about the hundreds of thousands of irate emails and phone calls they get each day from customers staring at a BSOD?Microsoft is one of the most hated companies on earth and their feelings were hurt by a few nerds and geeks in a Flight Simualation forum? REALLY? If they don't want to come back to the forums thats fine. But THEY are the one's who refused to listen to developers when building FSX. THEY are the ones who released Magic Screenies about how great FSX DX10 was going to be. THEY are the ones who said that FSX was the marquis release title for Vista.You had seven categories of posts in the forums.1 - Aces Buddies / Beta Testers who would do or say anything to stay that way: "There's nothing wrong with FSX, its the best thing ever, you are all naysayers and should die in a firey pit of liquid magma. Aces is the best EVER! Everything they do is GREAT. Kiss their feet! DO IT! I love FSX, why don't you? The rest of you should be banned. Die, naysayers, DIE!"2 - Overly optimistic FSX users: "Sure the entire world is a desert at 1 FPS. But do as I do, turn down all the sliders, see how nice it looks with no AI traffic or autogen and now I get 20 FPS! I know that there are issues, but Microsoft will fix it. What do you expect for only $60? Great job Aces, keep up the great work and whenever you get around to releasing a patch that would be greatly appreciated. Quit whining and enjoy what you have. Besides its the accounting team's fault for forcing Aces to release FSX against their will" 3 - The average simmer: "Here is the list of my issues (...), here are my system specs (...). I'm getting poor performance and I don't want to have less features in FSX than I did in FS9 and wait 5 years just to get back to that level." Aces needs to release a patch ASAP because this is unacceptable."4 - The irate simmer: "FSX is terrible. I can't believe Aces released this trash. The world is coming to an end because of FSX. I hate FSX."5 - The helpful simmer: "...now tune the bufferframe values thus and rebuild the FSX.cfg file..."6 - The not-so-helpful simmer: "To quadruple your FPS turn your computer upside down. Try it! Gravity pulls harder on your CPU when your computer is upside down and forces it to display more frames on the screen. I now get over 100 FPS with all sliders right on my Pentium I 90!"7 - The Banned Simmer: "#### FSX, #### Aces, #### Micr$oft"I think the vast majority of the posts fell into category 2,3, and 5. There were as many in category 1 as there were in category 4. Category 7 was kicked out so fast or were simply ignored that they became irrelevant. So yes, Aces\Microsoft took some heat, but far less than they get with their other products.

6 - The not-so-helpful simmer: "To quadruple your FPS turn your computer upside down. Try it! Gravity pulls harder on your CPU when your computer is upside down and forces it to display more frames on the screen. I now get over 100 FPS with all sliders right on my Pentium I 90!"

PHouagnagnahagnagnahahah.......:(

Mike T,Did you speak face to face with the ACES staff as I did in Seattle about their feelings towards their experimental participation? No, you did not.People can and will post what they will, but the general disrespect shown by this community towards the ACES staff has caused them to stop participating ON THEIR OWN TIME.

Microsoft is one of the most hated companies on earth and their feelings were hurt by a few nerds and geeks in a Flight Simualation forum? REALLY?

The company didn't come to these forums. Individuals came with intention of being helpful. They came to tell us what they were doing. They didn't come here for us to tell them what to do - that had already been decided by others above their pay-grade. As individuals they decided there weren't going to put up with the abuse they got in these forums. I for one don't blame them.We, who come here, are not Microsoft's target market and it's not going to design its product to suit us or 3rd party developers. The money is in the casual, gaming market. My understanding is thay FSX was the largest selling of the FS series. If so it met Microsoft's objectives in developing it.

Microsoft is one of the most hated companies on earth and their feelings were hurt by a few nerds and geeks in a Flight Simualation forum? REALLY?

Anyone who hates MS is not a thinker.  MS has done so much to shape the world we live in today, for the positive.  How could anyone hate that type of success?, unless they hate success.Haters   :(

Mike T,Did you speak face to face with the ACES staff as I did in Seattle about their feelings towards their experimental participation? No, you did not.People can and will post what they will, but the general disrespect shown by this community towards the ACES staff has caused them to stop participating ON THEIR OWN TIME.

Man, that is so true, Jim. I sure enough got an ear full from Susan A as well as others during the breaks... :(

Anyone who hates MS is not a thinker.  MS has done so much to shape the world we live in today, for the positive.  How could anyone hate that type of success?, unless they hate success.Haters   :(

roflWhen MS was a new company, IBM was the hated one. Now that MS is just like IBM was in the 70's, it is hated just the same. Well, this could have something to do with them stifling competition, lack of innovation and quality, etc.The world uses MS products not because they are better, but because it has no choice.See if you ever heard of these quotes:"More people eat them because they are fresher and they are fresher because more people eat them." and"Quantity has a quality all of its own."It is my firm belief that MS has set computing back a decade by its practices and we may never recover from the fact that there really is no alternative. To compete with MS would now take something like competing with Boeing took - a European consortium - and getting that together is harder with each passing year.

Mike T,Did you speak face to face with the ACES staff as I did in Seattle about their feelings towards their experimental participation? No, you did not.People can and will post what they will, but the general disrespect shown by this community towards the ACES staff has caused them to stop participating ON THEIR OWN TIME.

+1000000

How? If you don't read information on FREE flight simulation websites are you going to really BUY a flight simulation magazine? AND if you have an interest in aviation but know nothing about Flight Simulation you're going to buy "Flying Magazine" not "PC Pilot."

Unless such a person sees it on a newsstand and thinks, wow, I never knew about that, which is the whole point of magazine covers.Al

roflWhen MS was a new company, IBM was the hated one. Now that MS is just like IBM was in the 70's, it is hated just the same. Well, this could have something to do with them stifling competition, lack of innovation and quality, etc.The world uses MS products not because they are better, but because it has no choice.See if you ever heard of these quotes:"More people eat them because they are fresher and they are fresher because more people eat them." and"Quantity has a quality all of its own."It is my firm belief that MS has set computing back a decade by its practices and we may never recover from the fact that there really is no alternative. To compete with MS would now take something like competing with Boeing took - a European consortium - and getting that together is harder with each passing year.

HelloApple seem to be doing fine