Whats the difference between Honeywell and Collins option?

The Collins EDFCS-730 replaced the (Sperry) Honeywell SP-300 as the standard 737 fitting in early 2003. The Collins was designed to look as much like the previous Honeywell one to aid transition training (which is why they are sort of hard to tell apart upon first glance), but they are different in a few ways, most noticeably because the later Collins one has the captions printed on the adjustment knobs themselves and the bank angle selector is a little bit different, being a bit more fiddly and complex than the simpler knob on the Collins one, which probably does matter in FS if you use a VC. The Honeywell one is the one with the orange lights, which is the other obvious difference.Although you obviously won't notice in FS, the Collins one has buttons and dials which feel nicer and give better feedback when actually being pressed or turned, and they do actually make a slightly different sound as well, which PMDG will probably have simulated. As far as capabilities go, they are basically the same in day-to-day functionality, but the later Collins one has the certified capability on 737s to have an optional rudder servo control which will allow a Cat IIIb autolands where rollout along the runway after touch down is still controlled, meaning you can land in zero visibility if necessary, although that is only an option and not standard. The Collins one is also certified for a few other fancy navigation capabilities such as IAN, which is kind of after the Honeywell one was being used although it could of course be a retrofit change.So the gist of it is, delivery before Jan 2003 stick the Honeywell one in, after that, put the Collins one in. Or ignore that if you like and put the one you like the look of best. The main reason Boeing changed them is because the Collins one's appearance is a bit more 'obvious' to pilots.Al

As Cypress Hill Said: Insane in the Membrane! This is over the top! Now I am starting to worry about how all this magic will cost lol!

The Collins EDFCS-730 replaced the (Sperry) Honeywell SP-300 as the standard 737 fitting in early 2003. The Collins was designed to look as much like the previous Honeywell one to aid transition training (which is why they are sort of hard to tell apart upon first glance), but they are different in a few ways, most noticeably because the later Collins one has the captions printed on the adjustment knobs themselves and the bank angle selector is a little bit different, being a bit more fiddly and complex than the simpler knob on the Collins one, which probably does matter in FS if you use a VC. The Honeywell one is the one with the orange lights, which is the other obvious difference.Although you obviously won't notice in FS, the Collins one has buttons and dials which feel nicer and give better feedback when actually being pressed or turned, and they do actually make a slightly different sound as well, which PMDG will probably have simulated. As far as capabilities go, they are basically the same in day-to-day functionality, but the later Collins one has the certified capability on 737s to have an optional rudder servo control which will allow a Cat IIIb autolands where rollout along the runway after touch down is still controlled, meaning you can land in zero visibility if necessary, although that is only an option and not standard. The Collins one is also certified for a few other fancy navigation capabilities such as IAN, which is kind of after the Honeywell one was being used although it could of course be a retrofit change.So the gist of it is, delivery before Jan 2003 stick the Honeywell one in, after that, put the Collins one in. Or ignore that if you like and put the one you like the look of best. The main reason Boeing changed them is because the Collins one's appearance is a bit more 'obvious' to pilots.Al

THANKYOU, thats everything i wanted to know.

Wow!! That is sooo cool. You can leave the airport with a Honywell MCP and land with a Collins. PMDG has actually surpassed the real 737. Looking at that panel just makes me want to get my little allen wrench and tighten all the knobs.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

Now that you've shown us a video of a real 737, when do we get to see a video of the plane you're working on.Seriously....I think the average person would not be able to tell the difference between a screenshot in FSX or the real thing.Time to start reading my manual set.

So you can't engage the AP in the middle of a turn unless you release the control column? or with strong winds/gusts forcing you to continually adjust control inputs to follow the flight director in a SID for example? hmmm, interesting

I think you misunderstand.They said no manual input, no out-of-trim, it doesn't mean that airplane can't be in a turn. Also you seem to exaggerate influence of gusts on aircraft while in flight, you really have to in pretty violent weather to sense wind all the time changing direction (I am not talking about inherent wind problems in FS), I bet the airplane will engage in 99.99% of wind conditions.

I love reading Al's posts. Usted está verdaderamente una fuente de información, y sus explicaciones no son demaciado complicados. Gracias por tomando el tiempo! <img src='http://static.avsim.net/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':('Sorry folks, sometimes it's easier for me to post in Spanish. I can express myself better.

Generally I don't make request for pictures and things like that, Vin, but would you mind showing us a few more pics of the 2D sub-panels, like overhead panel, center pedestal and maybe the HGS? :( We have seen almost every possible spot of the VC, but we only have one picture of the 2D.

+1But I'm seriously thinking to buy a new machine to be capable to run this epic add-on in Virtual Cockpit only.My old Core2Duo is crying right now after run this amazing video.

WAW what a video i must say i am impressed uhh im really looking forward to this bird.NICE NICE NICE :(

Generally I don't make request for pictures and things like that, Vin, but would you mind showing us a few more pics of the 2D sub-panels, like overhead panel, center pedestal and maybe the HGS? :( We have seen almost every possible spot of the VC, but we only have one picture of the 2D.

Sure, we can put together something for you... sometime this week...

The short field package is something I am excited about! I love trying to get jets like the 737 into and out of small runways. I would imagine there will be some documents that tell us about the different options and different performances like with the short field package or different brakes? Also will there be a fuel planner? Is there one put in the FMC? As a side note if you guys do develope a fuel planner will be nice to have a mode to do ETOPs fuel planning with the APU running. Looks great!! Steven Herzberg

Wow! That is a very nice system for changing the cockpit.

Sure, we can put together something for you... sometime this week...

Thanks Vin. I didn't expect even to get an answer lol. Looking forward to it.

+1But I'm seriously thinking to buy a new machine to be capable to run this epic add-on in Virtual Cockpit only.My old Core2Duo is crying right now after run this amazing video.

I'm definetely going to fly this baby in VC mode. How couldn't I? I'm just curious to know how the 2D sub panels look like.

Looking good!On the option for APPR minimums callout, is it possible to change that to the "plus 100" callout? I think it looks like that, but I'm not too sure.Knowing PMDG, I'm sure they'll have it covered!