Not sure if you've read through any of their forum posts but the reason they didn't include one is because FSX cannot detect precip realistically. The Wx radars in FSX are detecting and displaying clouds, not precip. Since this method is unrealistic they decided not to model the feature in their plane. Makes sense.

As I said, I dont read their forums, but maybe they should have talked to the folks at Reality XP and Capt Sim, any radar is a lot more realistic than no radar at all :( Tks for the info

I understand that thought process but they're striving for ultimate realism and implementing a radar in fsx that reads cloud density isn't realistic.

I understand that thought process but they're striving for ultimate realism and implementing a radar in fsx that reads cloud density isn't realistic.

there are so many compromises in all PMDG aircraft (in any developers aircraft) .. its comical that you think the radar is the only one.

When did I say that? I realize you're a big iFly fan and I'm a PMDG fan and obviously we're clashing heads a bit in this thread. I guess the weather radar (or lack thereof) isn't a big issue for me. When I fly I use ADDS to check the radar anyway as a preflight and then skyvector to see the METARS en route. I'm not really flying into a Tstorm. I do realize airlines use Wx radar to assist in navigating around weather, but since it can't be implemented properly in FSX why use it?

I thought the vid was well done but a bit choppy at times which makes me wonder how she will handle KATL or KJFK. :( Jim

Jim,When I started watching the video mine was choppy aw well. I ended up downloading the video and then watching it back and it was smooth as silk. I am assuming that the choppyness a lot of people saw when watching the video is just due to internet connect speed, Vimeo itself, hardware, or a combination of all three things. It does mention on the Vimeo page that for a smoother playback to disable the HD feature. I never did try that, but when I downloaded the video and watched it back on Windows Media Player is was smooth with no stutters. Unfortunately a lot of people are taking the video playback choppiness as a reflection of performance rather than it just being cause by the streaming video itself which goes away when watching a d/l version.

I'm guessing it will be around their MD11 because they stated something to that effect on their forums. I seriously doubt it would be over 100 - that would almost be too much for me.

You're correct.Ryan from PMDG (Tabs) recently stated in one of the many threads that it will be under $100 and will be inline with the pricing of their other products. I'm expecting it will come in around $70 to $80 myself.

my guess is $110 USD.

PMDG have said many times it will not be $100 or above, infact in one comment where someone said he wouldn't be able to buy it if it was more than $80 USD they said he will be able to get it.As for a PMDG 777, thats already being worked on to some extent.

I understand that thought process but they're striving for ultimate realism and implementing a radar in fsx that reads cloud density isn't realistic.

And programming the FMC with PMDG and FS 'options' is more 'realistic'? Sorry, I don't understand the logic behind that.

Another great 737NGX video from AOAhttp://www.flyaoamedia.com/aoa/nicks-737ngx-afdsegpws-impressions/

Another great 737NGX video from AOAhttp://www.flyaoamedia.com/aoa/nicks-737ngx-afdsegpws-impressions/

Thanks for the HU, downloading now.

And programming the FMC with PMDG and FS 'options' is more 'realistic'? Sorry, I don't understand the logic behind that.

Jay,I think the point Ryan is trying to make is that PMDG doesn't feel (quotes below by them) that due to the limitations of the FSX engine the weather radar wouldn't work as realistically as they would like, so they are leaving it out, not becuase they aren't smart enough or capable of puttin one in along like the lines of what Reality XP or CaptSim do, but just for the mear fact that its more of a cosmetic effect rather than service the function of the real deal. Perhaps in Flight or Flight part 2, the engine will allow for them to model one that will work in the manner in which it really supposed to, but until them we will have to live without it.

Current WX Radar on the market, while adding ambiance to the cockpit, are only capable of reporting cloud locations. Actual precipitation location is something that (so far) remains elusive (and that's really what weather radar is all about after all). PMDG strives for quality, and as we state on our web page, "our goal is to provide education and entertainment for customers interested in the complex environment of commercial aviation." While a cloud reporting radar is certainly entertaining and adds, at some level, a sense of immersion, it doesn't fit the bill for education, since the radar returns are not accurate. Until we crack this nut, we will not be including it in our products.

This is one of the best technical posts I've seen a user here post on how it really works. Someone finally understands what we're dealing with! ;) Precip in FSX isn't actually a "thing" you can detect in the sim, it's visual effect that gets triggered when the sim decides the conditions are right (which isn't even consistent either).

If it were that simple, we'd have already done it - it isn't. The rain effect in the sim is not consistent at all - sometimes it's there, sometimes it isn't etc.It does amazes me that people think we just don't know how to do this or something and that it's really some simple thing we could do...

Gents-Normally I stay out of these conversations just because we've explained our position on it quite a bit...But the original poster here clearly didn't intend for anyone to get upset or jump on him for starting a thread on the same topic... It seems to me he was intellectually curious about the reasons why- so please guys: Lets not jump on one another...To the original poster: The issue for us is the ability to realistically represent precipitation discriminators in the same fashion as the processor box on an actual weather radar would. That data is locked away inside the sim's mind, and doesn't provide data that I would consider realistic.I've sat behind color radar for thousands of hours and have used it to pick my way though some monster lines of T-Boomers... and it operates FAR differently than any of the offerings currently available for the sim world...So for us it really comes down to the question of: Do we invest the time in something we know really doesn't provide much value to our products? Or do we invest that time into things that really DO add value... We go with the value proposition as we see it.(I know some folks disagree with our evaluation of value... but "it is what it is.")

On the point of FS "options" in the FMC, yes I suppose that you could say it's not realistic either, but it's tucked into a spot that you wont really see during the course of your regular use of the FMC. They had to stick the options somewhere, either in an external menu to configure prior to launching FSX, from the drop down Addon section, or hide it in the FMC. Personally I like where they put it since you can see the changes live and for those of us who use UT2, we can do it without accesing a menu and resetting our AI. If they stuck it somewhere in the FMC where it was glaring at you then I suppose it would look more unrealistic, but its not really jumping out at you where its hidden.

When did I say that? I realize you're a big iFly fan and I'm a PMDG fan and obviously we're clashing heads a bit in this thread. I guess the weather radar (or lack thereof) isn't a big issue for me. When I fly I use ADDS to check the radar anyway as a preflight and then skyvector to see the METARS en route. I'm not really flying into a Tstorm. I do realize airlines use Wx radar to assist in navigating around weather, but since it can't be implemented properly in FSX why use it?

I am a flight sim fan ... my position is that its silly to have a, my NGX is better than your,s war. I am the type guy that will buy both. I was just simply stating that your position, since developers have to compromise on radar, it should be left out of the aircraft .. when in fact many, many functions/operations are compromised in our "virtual" aircraft. If compromise is the huddle, many things would have to be left out of our aircraft.

Per a search there's about ten separate threads on why there will not be one:http://forum.avsim.net/topic/319681-ngx-and-weather-radar/page__p__1884384__hl__weather+radar__fromsearch__1#entry1884384I would imagine it to be aligned with their other high end products, such as the MD11... so $79.99 is my guess.

but its even higher fidelity ... so not likely gonna be priced at the price point.

Well that will put it out of what I would pay for a addon.I know the gushers pledge to pay hundreds but like everything in life we all have a point of no return and I think anything over 80$ is not worth it in my personal opinion, and that is just me LOL

Well that will put it out of what I would pay for a addon.I know the gushers pledge to pay hundreds but like everything in life we all have a point of no return and I think anything over 80$ is not worth it in my personal opinion, and that is just me LOL

$80 for something that very accurately simulates an $80,000,000+ aircraft? That's a deal to me.

Is this add-on for FSX or for Flight? (It looks that good...)Cheers,- jahman.

That's the power of being a user - you pick which price works best for you based on value!