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AoA's First Training Video Now Available

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JJ-- What you mention, highlighting, will be added in a revision of the video soon.
Excellent! Maybe you might be able to convert an old goat at the end! Sorry though that I have been "banned" from the AoA 737 members forum so I can't post any more, probably because of my critical postings. ;-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) JJJ
I love that line. "Those guys do have real jobs." They may have more than one job, but this IS a real job. If this isn't a "real" job of theirs, we should ask them to stop charging "real" money for the videos.
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Sorry though that I have been "banned" from the AoA 737 members forum so I can't post any more, probably because of my critical postings.
Really? I used to have an account there to log onto the forums but it seems that you have to pay now to access so thats a no-go for me.

I don't understand this - imho if you don't like it, don't waste your time and breath - find something better (to do or to buy) AoA was and will be great project/company name it whatever you want. Those people give great input in education ofnumbers of sim addicts. Quality of their work is splendid. Price is adequate. And timing - well it is better to measure 6xand cut than cut and then measure. Sorry guys but those who hate variables of this project better go and find something else to hate.AoA will not stop doing what they do just because of a bunch of "dontlikes" and "neverhappies" True - majority of what they intend to present in these videos one can find online, in PMDG supplied PDF orprinted manuals. Nevertheless I have both - printed manuals and access to AoA video projects and I can saythat they both fulfill each other. Chill.

PMDG Customer - JÄnis Freibergs

 

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I don't understand this - imho if you don't like it, don't waste your time and breath - find something better (to do or to buy) AoA was and will be great project/company name it whatever you want. Those people give great input in education ofnumbers of sim addicts. Quality of their work is splendid. Price is adequate. And timing - well it is better to measure 6xand cut than cut and then measure. Sorry guys but those who hate variables of this project better go and find something else to hate.AoA will not stop doing what they do just because of a bunch of "dontlikes" and "neverhappies" True - majority of what they intend to present in these videos one can find online, in PMDG supplied PDF orprinted manuals. Nevertheless I have both - printed manuals and access to AoA video projects and I can saythat they both fulfill each other. Chill.
Whoa. You must HATE amazon.com, epinions and all those other sites where people review and discuss products. The idea of people having an opinion and discussing publicly! Why, it just offends my sensibilities that people would do such a thing. My goodness, you are so strong to endure this. I envy your fortitude!My goodness, you'll never guess what I just saw. "Car and Driver" magazine is reviewing autos, and they are being so critical. Stop the insanity. These opinions are too much to bear.
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Hey all,Just checking in after monitoring what's going on here. First of all, thanks for all the wonderful comments on the second video. There will still be improvements made to this video, but we're moving on next to Emergency Equipment. And there is a lot more ready down the pipeline, although it's not 100% yet. Most of my comments today will be directed toward those that still seem to be disgruntled, especially Jackson. We believe we have a top quality team producing these videos. Our process takes time because of the complexity of the aircraft, and the amount of work it takes to communicate such a complex subject as the 737 is. The work we have released so far shows the quality of work we can produce. We stand by that. For those of you saying this is a 'power point', think again. I've never seen a powerpoint as complex and nice looking as this video is, because, well, there isn't one that exists. We use top quality software, graphics, and our editor is professional trained in his field. To say it's a power point is insulting and inaccurate, and you're placing ideas in people's heads that are totally off base. To be fair, our production process isn't quick right now. It's getting better every day. That should not be confused with the quality of the actual videos. What's happening here is there are some disgruntled people that have expectations of WHEN they THINK this stuff should be out, regardless of the fact that we've been very clear all along, and up front, about what the current status is. This stuff takes time, we're getting better at it, and it'll be one smooth working machine soon. Until then, please don't confuse our less-than-efficient (and temporarily that way) process for the quality of the videos. It's insulting to our team and the people who enjoy the product they're getting. Your misrepresentations of what's going on here will reflect to prospective buyers that would otherwise have enjoyed the product. So, that's my two cents. Yes, the wording sounds harsh at times, but I stand by my team and not by the people that are impatient and unruly in their judgement. It's really easy to spout off a bunch of stuff online. What you're doing effects our team, and prospective buyers. In closing, JJJackson was banned from commenting on our website because there was nothing we could do to help him. We've since talked things over and he's allowed back in under certain conditions. We very rarely have to step in and do something like this, but we will do so to protect our community. We're all for having an open and honest conversation and we can take criticism. When lies are told about us on a continuous basis, and someone appears genuinely unhappy with their purchase, we take action. I apologize for not being able to speak about more important things like all the amazing people that have supported our efforts (with passion, I may add) so far, but this is the nature of the internet. Sometimes there are stinkers. With what we're doing here on this product, it's no wonder things are up for tight scrutiny because of how different a product like this is for the industry. Thanks for the support! Things are looking on the up and up. THROTTLE ON!

I can't be in all places at once. If you see someone is having an issue with an Angle of Attack product, or something that should be brought to my attention, please message me. I want everyone to have a stellar experience with AOA. Thanks so much!

Chris Palmer

Founder/President

Angle of Attack

Hey all,Just checking in after monitoring what's going on here. First of all, thanks for all the wonderful comments on the second video. There will still be improvements made to this video, but we're moving on next to Emergency Equipment. And there is a lot more ready down the pipeline, although it's not 100% yet. Most of my comments today will be directed toward those that still seem to be disgruntled, especially Jackson. We believe we have a top quality team producing these videos. Our process takes time because of the complexity of the aircraft, and the amount of work it takes to communicate such a complex subject as the 737 is. The work we have released so far shows the quality of work we can produce. We stand by that. For those of you saying this is a 'power point', think again. I've never seen a powerpoint as complex and nice looking as this video is, because, well, there isn't one that exists. We use top quality software, graphics, and our editor is professional trained in his field. To say it's a power point is insulting and inaccurate, and you're placing ideas in people's heads that are totally off base. To be fair, our production process isn't quick right now. It's getting better every day. That should not be confused with the quality of the actual videos. What's happening here is there are some disgruntled people that have expectations of WHEN they THINK this stuff should be out, regardless of the fact that we've been very clear all along, and up front, about what the current status is. This stuff takes time, we're getting better at it, and it'll be one smooth working machine soon. Until then, please don't confuse our less-than-efficient (and temporarily that way) process for the quality of the videos. It's insulting to our team and the people who enjoy the product they're getting. Your misrepresentations of what's going on here will reflect to prospective buyers that would otherwise have enjoyed the product. So, that's my two cents. Yes, the wording sounds harsh at times, but I stand by my team and not by the people that are impatient and unruly in their judgement. It's really easy to spout off a bunch of stuff online. What you're doing effects our team, and prospective buyers. In closing, JJJackson was banned from commenting on our website because there was nothing we could do to help him. We've since talked things over and he's allowed back in under certain conditions. We very rarely have to step in and do something like this, but we will do so to protect our community. We're all for having an open and honest conversation and we can take criticism. When lies are told about us on a continuous basis, and someone appears genuinely unhappy with their purchase, we take action. I apologize for not being able to speak about more important things like all the amazing people that have supported our efforts (with passion, I may add) so far, but this is the nature of the internet. Sometimes there are stinkers. With what we're doing here on this product, it's no wonder things are up for tight scrutiny because of how different a product like this is for the industry. Thanks for the support! Things are looking on the up and up. THROTTLE ON!
Thx for the update Chris keep them coming

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Peter kelberg

I just just watched the video again. no Power Point. No low budged work. The Video ist just amazing and of an outstanding quality.This Training ist still a must have for E V E R Y Pmdg 737 NGX owner. It should be sold with a set to the product. Keep going, and just release a littel faster : ) Greets from EDDF

Wayne Interessierts

Thanks Frank,and as Chris said the production team are working on it ;)

Cheers,

Thomas Crowell

Customer Service Lead

Angle of Attack Productions

Hey all,Just checking in after monitoring what's going on here. First of all, thanks for all the wonderful comments on the second video. There will still be improvements made to this video, but we're moving on next to Emergency Equipment. And there is a lot more ready down the pipeline, although it's not 100% yet. Most of my comments today will be directed toward those that still seem to be disgruntled, especially Jackson. We believe we have a top quality team producing these videos. Our process takes time because of the complexity of the aircraft, and the amount of work it takes to communicate such a complex subject as the 737 is. The work we have released so far shows the quality of work we can produce. We stand by that. For those of you saying this is a 'power point', think again. I've never seen a powerpoint as complex and nice looking as this video is, because, well, there isn't one that exists. We use top quality software, graphics, and our editor is professional trained in his field. To say it's a power point is insulting and inaccurate, and you're placing ideas in people's heads that are totally off base. To be fair, our production process isn't quick right now. It's getting better every day. That should not be confused with the quality of the actual videos. What's happening here is there are some disgruntled people that have expectations of WHEN they THINK this stuff should be out, regardless of the fact that we've been very clear all along, and up front, about what the current status is. This stuff takes time, we're getting better at it, and it'll be one smooth working machine soon. Until then, please don't confuse our less-than-efficient (and temporarily that way) process for the quality of the videos. It's insulting to our team and the people who enjoy the product they're getting. Your misrepresentations of what's going on here will reflect to prospective buyers that would otherwise have enjoyed the product. So, that's my two cents. Yes, the wording sounds harsh at times, but I stand by my team and not by the people that are impatient and unruly in their judgement. It's really easy to spout off a bunch of stuff online. What you're doing effects our team, and prospective buyers. In closing, JJJackson was banned from commenting on our website because there was nothing we could do to help him. We've since talked things over and he's allowed back in under certain conditions. We very rarely have to step in and do something like this, but we will do so to protect our community. We're all for having an open and honest conversation and we can take criticism. When lies are told about us on a continuous basis, and someone appears genuinely unhappy with their purchase, we take action. I apologize for not being able to speak about more important things like all the amazing people that have supported our efforts (with passion, I may add) so far, but this is the nature of the internet. Sometimes there are stinkers. With what we're doing here on this product, it's no wonder things are up for tight scrutiny because of how different a product like this is for the industry. Thanks for the support! Things are looking on the up and up. THROTTLE ON!
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Ok, so when will the next video be released? Idea.gif

Wayne Interessierts

i think the put a lot of information in the video`s.i am glad that the have this for us flightsimmers the 737 is a verry complex airplane.the best for fsx or other flightsims.keep them coming (video`s) greetings from the netherlandsguillaume

@Frank it's in production, keep checking the updates page for the most current info. Also, you can follow me on twitter @tcrowellAOA, I'll post little blips of info and answer any questions. @Guilaume thanks!!

Cheers,

Thomas Crowell

Customer Service Lead

Angle of Attack Productions

Without AOA you have a game, with AOA you'll get a simulator! Boudewijn

Boudewijn Swanenburg

Correction- please follow the official Angle of Attack twitter- @flyAOAmedia

Cheers,

Thomas Crowell

Customer Service Lead

Angle of Attack Productions

More than 20 minues was a pure Power Point presentation and the rest some cockpit overviews. To use almost a month to produce this is incredible!!! It seems that those people who stand up and cry "Halleluja" have very low expectations.
I realise of course your point is that it is a presentation, so you may indeed be using the description ''Powerpoint'' in the generic sense, because if anyone could produce those videos with Powerpoint alone, then I would be greatly impressed. Powerpoint is in fact one of the simple programs I am occasionally asked to train people on in my job, although more typically I train people on things such as Flash, After Effects, Premiere, Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark, InDesign Dreamweaver, 3DS Max etc (that's with the leading training company in Europe, presenting authorised training courses, so I know these programs better than most people do, and I know the kind of skills required to do training well too.) If you wanted me to train you, it'd cost you literally ten times the price of the entire AoA Captain package; that's for one day's training with me, and no, I'm not joking, that is how much high-end quality training costs, so keep that in mind when you weigh up the cost against what you are getting with AoA's stuff! Thus I can assure you that these more professionally-oriented programs are far more likely to have been employed in the production of the AoA training videos than Powerpoint, and there is a good deal of skill, knowldege and experience with them needed to get the best out of them. But that's merely an observation, and not really the point I want to make, which is... Let's say that Powerpoint had been used in their production, the difference would have been in how slick (or possibly not) things looked, which some might consider is not of much importance - after all, it's only the content that matters with training, right? - well, to some extent that is true, but there is a lot more to presenting information than that if it is to be done to best advantage. The difference is not to be underestimated, especially in training. Canadian philosopher, Marshall McCluhan (who amongst other things, predicted the emergence of the web and coined the phrase ''global village''), is also famous for having said ''the medium is the message''. Now, you could spend a long time disecting that phrase with people to find various meanings, but the point is that what he meant was the way a message is presented has a symbioitic relationship with the content of the message, which can either be a good or a bad thing, depending on both the medium that is used and the skill with which it is employed. The fact is, to do the kind of presentation videos AoA is creating to a high standard, not only in terms of content and scripting, but also in terms of how the design, framing and motion serve to reinforce the message, takes time. You need a good producer, a very good designer, a good editor, a decent storyboard artist, a decent audio engineer, and a whole host of other people skilled in various other fields, and that's before you have even got to packaging it up, marketing it and presenting it for purchase. So there are two ways you can do that; either with a massive team who all work well together under the guidance of a project manager, or with a smaller team who can multitask and know about how to present training properly. The chief difference between the two approaches is in the turnaround time and the cost, and if you want to come in at a budget of 80 bucks, then you are probably going to have to go with the smaller team and take a bit longer to produce it. That's just the way it is. If you think it is easy, have a crack at it yourself, and I don't mean that in a flippant ''can you do better? if not shut up'' kind of way, I mean really consider the work involved and then have a try at it; you'll have to get all the information needed to be conveyed, check it all for accuracy, slice it up into meaningful chunks for coherent episodes, script it, storyboard it, do the screengrabs and video shots, do any custom artwork for diagrams, record the audio, collate it all, do a rough edit, then a more refined edit making any changes or amendments that show up as necessary, then export it, wrap it up and then set it up for downloading, updating the website to reflect the changes. Then there is a feedback forum to run and other bits and pieces too. Think you can knock all that up in three weeks? I know it can be done, because I've done that sort of thing myself in the past, but don't fool yourself into thinking it is a breeze, because it certainly is not. It's a massive undertaking, and if you want the truth, I don't envy them the task, and I know how to do all that stuff LOL I'll give you an example, if you listen to the FS2Crew iFly 737 English pilot, that voice is in fact me, and that was just a simple case of recording phrases and making up the odd bits of script here and there. But it was a process that happened over a few weeks, since new things cropped up and stuff had to be re-recorded and amended, and that was just one of many voices in the product and a really rather tiny part of the product itself. Time-wise the entire amount of recording of all the phrases probably amounted to maybe half an hour, but it could not be done all in one go, so half an hour's recording time did not end up taking that small amount of time, even though on the face of it one might think that could be the case. No trainer is beyond reproach of course, and believe me, any decent trainer welcomes criticism, since it will highlight things they can improve upon. But keep in mind that although knocking up a quick training video might seem simple, there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. Take a look on youtube at the various tutorial videos people have put up, and you will see that the vast majority of them are really rather poor in comparison to AoA's output, which ought to highlight what skill at production can do to make a tutorial more effective, and how that will always take a bit of time. Al

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