Hi, I stumbled over AOA while waiting for the release of the 737ngx. Impressed by the Demo-Videos i wanted to join the 737-Training. I followed the progress of the project and was not sure if i should buy the course. Meanwhile i joined the Aviator90-Training and was very impressed by the quality and presentation of the videos. Its a completely different kind of learning. I like the combination of animated pictures, presentation sequences and spoken word. So i decided to join the 737-Training. I've bought several printed tutorials, and they are pretty good written, but i can't compare them to the videos of AOA. Yes there are "only" 2 videos available atm. I first wondered too, why to have an own video for aircraft lightening. But now i not only know, when to push or pull the switches as a procedure, I now know exactly how the lights are working. Same for the second video about warning-systems. And the style of the presentation is really good. First you'll get an overview about the following section, then you get the knowledge and at the end there is a repitition about what you have heard - great work! If you are really interested in flying AND understanding the 737ngx you will enjoy the training. Reallife pilots need several years of training and shool before they are able to fly the aircraft. They don't get all knowledge within a few weeks. And I'm sure AOAs machine is warmed up now and they optimized their production:).Almost 100 hours high quality videos for 79$ plus some extras is definitely worth waiting a bit:). The really nice thing is, you can watch the videos again and again:).... (best learning effect will be to repeat the stuff a few times). hope, my English isn't to bad:),happy landingsChris

At the current rate of progress its taking approximately 13.5 weeks per hour of footage if you extrapolate from the content you have at this time. So if your suggested 100 hours of content is correct (I don't think it is by the way I heard more like 52 hours) you will be waiting for approx 130 weeks or 910 days or 2.5 years till its all finished. I may be back in a couple of years time to purchase the 737 training, that's if I'm still flying FSX and the NGX then which is looking doubtful now that Flight is getting nearer. I am glad I finally got my refund from AOA even though I was outside the 30 days refund period, thanks again for that, I did already mention this fact earlier in the thread, I am repeating this for Chris Palmer's benefit so he can see that I am very appreciative of his support in this matter.

Emergency Equipment. The next video is available for download and streaming.

Andy, from this point of view, i would agree with you. But i'm sure that the rate of developement will drop dramatically. You have to find a system for the production, because every project (Aircraft-Training) will be different to realize. Its not possible to produce a video based on a non-fnished aircraft. So they started from 0 with the day of the release. Every system needs some preperation and oil to run smoothly:). I understand both sides. If i could get a vid from AOA every day i wouldn't be angry about it. As a developer you have a plan, you spent tons of hours in working out a project, everything looks fine, you inform your customers about your new product and give out the roadmap. If there are probems, the customers often dont understand, that only a little small problem could stop the whole machine. That should be no excuse for false promises or delays. Everyone of us has to do his job, and everyone of us tries to do it perfectly. Its not a developers intention to frustrate the customers, they want a working thing. And they are most frustrated themselves, if something doesn't work as planned or expected. And if someone don't get what he/she's expecting then ist ok to get a refund. And its ok to express disapointment. As you stated in you last line, even if a product is not satisfying, things can be handled with respect. Happy landings,Chris

Personally, I don't really mind if it does take a long time for all the videos to come through. Since they focus on what is in large part the behaviour of the real aircraft, the videos will still be of use as a learning tool even if someone brings out another ultra-realistic 737 NG for another sim (although that is of course not likely, at least for a few years). And since I view the PMDG FSX 737 as having a lifespan measured in years rather than weeks, a somewhat lengthy timespan for the training videos is not a big issue for me anyway, especially when we consider that if we want a quality product, it simply is going to take them a bit of time to deliver it. Al

The main thing I'm keeping in mind is I've learnt from lessons on what so far fairly simple subjects. When things like electrics are covered, there are going to be things covered that are likely not mentioned in the FCOM at all. When Flight Work comes along, I expect it'll be even more enlightening.

I am repeating this for Chris Palmer's benefit so he can see that I am very appreciative of his support in this matter.

Lol Andy, you weren't too appreciative before they offered the refund (post #232) I suppose that's fair enough though...

The main thing I'm keeping in mind is I've learnt from lessons on what so far fairly simple subjects. When things like electrics are covered, there are going to be things covered that are likely not mentioned in the FCOM at all. When Flight Work comes along, I expect it'll be even more enlightening.

Indeed. From what Chris and Nick have been saying recently, there will be a lot of extra content in future videos that isn't covered in any of the included PMDG documentation.

Next video, Emergency Equipment is out with a lot of supporting documentation.

YEAH!!! Thanx!

Third videos out and not one review?

Third videos out and not one review?

What?? You have to give them time to write the reviews. They have real jobs. And, it would be inappropriate of you to ask the reviewers for an ETA. Haven't you learned anything here?!

Well, this is not what I would call a formal review. Nevertheless, if anyone wants to know, I enjoyed the lesson on emergency equipment a lot. It may not help my simming at this very moment, but having learned for instance how fast the oxygen supply will run out when needed, I anticipate I'll have to learn a lot before I can timely handle the emergency when it eventually will occur. Now I have a better feeling also for why we do all those 'silly' checks before we move the throttle forward.With the captains package, I figure it will be less then 1 $ per lesson. What more does one want? Oh yes, the next lesson within a couple of weeks or so. Boudewijn Swanenburg

im holding off flying the 737 untill the FS2Crew Voice edition comes out, which as we all know is still very much in need of an SDK before it can be made to work. Seeing as how long its taking PMDG to actualy release an SDK its gonna be many months away. Im quite happy to wait for more training vids.

im holding off flying the 737 untill the FS2Crew Voice edition comes out, which as we all know is still very much in need of an SDK before it can be made to work. Seeing as how long its taking PMDG to actualy release an SDK its gonna be many months away. Im quite happy to wait for more training vids.

I thought I was the only SDK holdout.

What?? You have to give them time to write the reviews. They have real jobs. And, it would be inappropriate of you to ask the reviewers for an ETA. Haven't you learned anything here?!

No its not, whats wrong with asking