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At Feelthere. http://www.feelthere...elthere-le.htmlAt Wilco. http://www.wilcopub.com/simulator-add-on/phenom-i00-by-embraer.htmlQuick and short, guys, what are your thoughts or even reviews on this one?As a Citation Mustang owner, I may already have a similar plane in the hangar. But my impression on previous Feelthere releases like the E-Jets V2 and ERJ V2 are very good, so I'm interested.My questions would be how the framerates compare to the rather high Mustang impact and how the G1000 is done, e. g. in case of Navigraph support.Your reviews are more than welcome. smile.png

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http://www.wilcopub....by-embraer.htmlQuick and short, guys, what are your thoughts or even reviews on this one?As a Citation Mustang owner, I may already have a similar plane in the hangar. But my impression on previous Feelthere releases like the E-Jets V2 and ERJ V2 are very good, so I'm interested.My questions would be how the framerates compare to the rather high Mustang impact and how the G1000 is done, e. g. in case of Navigraph support.Your reviews are more than welcome. smile.png
According to the ad copy this is an "LE" series model and uses the FSX GPS (Suitably skinned) and FSX flightplanner - no Navigraph support is mentioned. It's a lightweight.DJ

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True. This would be my deepest fear, so to speak, since I'd really miss the Navigraph data then.But it names some VNAV capability, surely like the one on the ERJ, so there may be more in the box than one may think.If they had a money-back policy, I would already have bought it and could report.Note. I've added both links to the first post. So there's the Feelthere shop and the Wilco one now.Point for the Mustang. It has a WC. LOL.gif

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A good looking jet, but here's how I think this will go. While Feelthere built it, their support in their forums will be very limited because they will tell you they built it for WILCO, whose's support is legendary. Whistle.gif Eventually folks will start asking for an SP1, and FT will say it's up to WILCO, and WILCO will do nothing. What do you think? Too far off the mark?David Vega

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I don't know, David. The service packs on their ERJ V2 and E-Jet V2 stuff came in nicely by Feelthere.But there was no Wilco involved, you are right.

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While Feelthere built it, their support in their forums will be very limited
wrong wrong WRONG AND WRONG!the Phenom is a feelThere product and wilco is not involved!.wilco is one of the many distributors that one can purchase ... and you can purchase directly from feelThere.--

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Scoob, never been more glad to be wrong. Best of luck with the Phenom. David Vega

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Scoob, does it have some Navigraph database option? That's a vital one for me, so sorry for stressing the question.

* Simple FMS integrated with Multi Function Displays using the default FS flight planner
So, is this an 'only FS flight planner' or a 'you can also use the FS flight planner'?A follow up question may then be if some release with that Navigraph feature is planned.

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ubersu pointed at the right direction, I should learn to read better. Worried.gifFrom the forum section at Feelthere.

Q. I can't enter a new waypoint into the flightplan using the FMC's keypad.A. the Phenom is a 'LE' product and does not simulate all systems. The aircraft is programmed to use the default FS GPS to simulate a limited FMS. please review the manual for information about the interface between the panel and the FS GPS. for more information about the default GPS see the FS 'LEARNING CENTER'.
But a video or even the manuals would be great to get an impression before buying.In the meantime, the forum and the FAQ section there are the way to go. smile.png

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I bought it today but havent flown it yet so I cant give any feedback on that yet. But, I bought it because it has the features I wanted to see, VC and 2D cockpit and subpanels, direct loading of FSX flight plans, and the updated G1000, which unlike the Mustang, allows a 'Direct To' flight plan.Right up front, I was not a fan of the 'jungle jets, but after watching and reading all the articles over the years of the real one, it's one impressive plane, so I bought it.After reading the manual, which is short (Thanks) and poking around the cockpit, at this point I like it. Testing FPS with my rig, just sitting on the ramp, I get 25-35 in all views, which is pretty good considering my FSX settings and the fact that there are 3 G1000 screens running plus all the subpanels on a second monitor. It does have FADEC, if you like that, I don't but its not a showstopper. There is a 'Config Mgr' that will let you change a lot of settings to help with performance.I'm going to try to get a flight in tomorrow and if anyone is interested I'll post some feedback. But right up front, if you are looking for a FMC with navigraph, this aint the plane for you.

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I bought it today but havent flown it yet so I cant give any feedback on that yet. But, I bought it because it has the features I wanted to see, VC and 2D cockpit and subpanels, direct loading of FSX flight plans, and the updated G1000, which unlike the Mustang, allows a 'Direct To' flight plan.Right up front, I was not a fan of the 'jungle jets, but after watching and reading all the articles over the years of the real one, it's one impressive plane, so I bought it.After reading the manual, which is short (Thanks) and poking around the cockpit, at this point I like it. Testing FPS with my rig, just sitting on the ramp, I get 25-35 in all views, which is pretty good considering my FSX settings and the fact that there are 3 G1000 screens running plus all the subpanels on a second monitor. It does have FADEC, if you like that, I don't but its not a showstopper. There is a 'Config Mgr' that will let you change a lot of settings to help with performance.I'm going to try to get a flight in tomorrow and if anyone is interested I'll post some feedback. But right up front, if you are looking for a FMC with navigraph, this aint the plane for you.
I wonder if one could add the mindstar g1000 to it ?It'd be good I guess.

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I'm going to try to get a flight in tomorrow and if anyone is interested I'll post some feedback. But right up front, if you are looking for a FMC with navigraph, this aint the plane for you.
You may be right there. However, if it gives people a nice flying bird and some easy setup, it may be right for quite some folks.Thanks for the input. I'm sure the guys will appreciate further details from a customer.
which unlike the Mustang, allows a 'Direct To' flight plan.
A side note. From memory, the 'direct-to' button on the Mustang allows exactly that, without building a flight plan first.
I wonder if one could add the mindstar g1000 to it ?
Good question. I also wonder how the Mindstar can be VC-handled with some 3D elements being present, but maybe fitting the panel somehow precisely, so you are not forced to work 2D panel popup only.But the thing preventing some easy Mindstar integration may be some systems, since the G1000 also displays engine and system data, which has to fit to the plane itself. I don't know if they e. g. offer a jet version of those things, so the engine data may be mixed up for example.

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It's definitely not a hardcore G-1000 sim, but I actually enjoyed flying it. I took a couple laps around FTX YMAV last night and it's a pure joy to hand fly. It's very stable and not jumpy and twitchy like some other aircraft. I'd say from an aerodynamic standpoint, it's right on par with the F1 Mustang.From a systems point of view, it's pretty bare-bones. The virtual cockpit is not as clean and crisp as the Mustang, and the G-1000 lacks the robust nature of the Mustang, but still... a great little jet to fly for short hops. The exterior model is BEAUTIFUL! I'd give it a 6 out of 10... losing 4 points for the "LE" nature of the product. I don't regret the purchase at all... plus I get both an FSX and an FS9 version for the same price (though I'll probably only use the FSX version..)

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I bought it today but havent flown it yet so I cant give any feedback on that yet. But, I bought it because it has the features I wanted to see, VC and 2D cockpit and subpanels, direct loading of FSX flight plans, and the updated G1000, which unlike the Mustang, allows a 'Direct To' flight plan.Right up front, I was not a fan of the 'jungle jets, but after watching and reading all the articles over the years of the real one, it's one impressive plane, so I bought it.After reading the manual, which is short (Thanks) and poking around the cockpit, at this point I like it. Testing FPS with my rig, just sitting on the ramp, I get 25-35 in all views, which is pretty good considering my FSX settings and the fact that there are 3 G1000 screens running plus all the subpanels on a second monitor. It does have FADEC, if you like that, I don't but its not a showstopper. There is a 'Config Mgr' that will let you change a lot of settings to help with performance.I'm going to try to get a flight in tomorrow and if anyone is interested I'll post some feedback. But right up front, if you are looking for a FMC with navigraph, this aint the plane for you.
I have over 250 hours in the F1 Mustang. I don't know where you got your info but your statement about the "Direct To" flight plan is completely incorrect. Unlike the FS FP, you can fly direct to any WPT in your flight plan and then resume your FP from that WPT. The G1000 in the Mustang is a much truer simulation.

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I have over 250 hours in the F1 Mustang. I don't know where you got your info but your statement about the "Direct To" flight plan is completely incorrect. Unlike the FS FP, you can fly direct to any WPT in your flight plan and then resume your FP from that WPT. The G1000 in the Mustang is a much truer simulation.
You missread what I wrote, you cannot create a DIRECT TO FP using the FSX built in flight planner, then load it into the G1000 in the Mustang, unless that has been fixed.

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It's definitely not a hardcore G-1000 sim, but I actually enjoyed flying it. I took a couple laps around FTX YMAV last night and it's a pure joy to hand fly. It's very stable and not jumpy and twitchy like some other aircraft. I'd say from an aerodynamic standpoint, it's right on par with the F1 Mustang.From a systems point of view, it's pretty bare-bones. The virtual cockpit is not as clean and crisp as the Mustang, and the G-1000 lacks the robust nature of the Mustang, but still... a great little jet to fly for short hops. The exterior model is BEAUTIFUL! I'd give it a 6 out of 10... losing 4 points for the "LE" nature of the product. I don't regret the purchase at all... plus I get both an FSX and an FS9 version for the same price (though I'll probably only use the FSX version..)
Hello Bonkster!Thanks for the minireview!My biggest concern is the framerate, is it easier on fps than the F1 Mustang? On which other plane you also have does it seem on par regarding the fps ?Thanks!

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It's probably much easier on frames than the Mustang... but on my system, everything runs very smooth... including the Mustang Frames-wise, I would probably compare it more to the performance of the default Lear 45.

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You missread what I wrote, you cannot create a DIRECT TO FP using the FSX built in flight planner, then load it into the G1000 in the Mustang, unless that has been fixed.
I guess I did. However, in the Mustang you can build your FP directly in the MFD and/or you can Direct To any WPT.Why would you want to create a direct to in the FSX planner and load it into the Mustang. It doesn't make sense.

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I guess I did. However, in the Mustang you can build your FP directly in the MFD and/or you can Direct To any WPT.Why would you want to create a direct to in the FSX planner and load it into the Mustang. It doesn't make sense.
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I guess I did. However, in the Mustang you can build your FP directly in the MFD and/or you can Direct To any WPT.Why would you want to create a direct to in the FSX planner and load it into the Mustang. It doesn't make sense.
I am not going to debate this here since this is a thread for the Phenon....suffice it to say I plan ALL my flights in the FSX flight planner.....Now, on to the 100......I just completed a short flight from KPBI to KJAX and these are my own observations only, your milage may vary.....I use the 2D cockpit with the sub panels on a second monitor, in 'windowed mode', not 'full screen.Performance is fine, 35 or so in all views.The plane handles well and is what I would expect after researching the 'real' 100, it's very close to the numbers, but it is a VLJ, so it's no rocket ship.It's impossible after just one flight to get a complete impression, but thats all I had time for today, and there are a few things that don't impress me...In no particular order..Wingstab and Insp lights dont workYoke in the VC block's the panel a bit, no way to move it backInterior lights are either on or off, no dimmer, and 2D too bright at nightOn the PFD, "Menu-FPL-PROC-Direct' buttons dont work(probably by design) but the MFD is ok2D default view the pilot view is too far to the right, like you are sitting almost in the center of the cockpitNo AP popupWindshield glass reflections in the VC are extremely distractingThere are no indicator lights on the AP, so it's hard to tell what mode is active without looking at the PFDSeems to be some missing pages in the GPS, maybe it's just me not finding them (nearest airport-VOR-airport layouts etc)And the BIG issue for me, no matter what I try I cant read the text at the top of the PFD/MFD, I have to open the expanded view, very annoying.In summary, visually it's very good and performance is very good. I use the ES CJ1+ (version 1) so I kinda compare it to that. It's a great plane for getting in and out of small fields, using medium altitudes, there are no spoilers or reversers but you dont need them as it land slow enough for just brakes.The manual could use a few more pages because unless you are familair with the G1000, you will spend a lot of time 'poking' around. You really do need to go through the manual because the 100 does a few things differently from other bizjets and you need to be aware of them.Bottom line, I will be flying this more to see where it fits in to my 'fleet', but I don't think at this point it will make it to my 'primary' list, that is still reserved for the CJ1+ when I need that type of jet.Hope this helps.

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I am not going to debate this here since this is a thread for the Phenon....suffice it to say I plan ALL my flights in the FSX flight planner....
HelloWith an addon that uses the Navigraph airac data then you really need a planner that uses the same databaseThe FSX planners database is fixed at sometime in 2005.How do you use an advanced FMC with the FSX planner if the data does not match?

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HelloWith an addon that uses the Navigraph airac data then you really need a planner that uses the same databaseThe FSX planners database is fixed at sometime in 2005.How do you use an advanced FMC with the FSX planner if the data does not match?
First FSX only recognizes it's own database, so if navgraph shows a different freq, FSx will only use its own. Second, the 100 doesnt use navgraph. Third, I dont use SIDS and STARS and I dont care if 'fix XXXX' has been renamed to 'fixXXXY'. Botton line is, FSX flight planner works just fine for me biggrin.png

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First FSX only recognizes it's own database, so if navgraph shows a different freq, FSx will only use its own. Second, the 100 doesnt use navgraph. Third, I dont use SIDS and STARS and I dont care if 'fix XXXX' has been renamed to 'fixXXXY'. Botton line is, FSX flight planner works just fine for me biggrin.png
HelloFair enough, each to their own I suppose

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