January 23, 201214 yr I know there's been discussion in the past but not recently... Anyway I'm soliciting opinions on PMDG's J41 for FSX. Do you fly it a lot? What's the smallest strips it can get into? FPS in VC with max quality? Systems/failures? Is the autopilot simple to use?I mainly enjoy GA but this one I nearly forgot about until I friend got it and showed me. | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
January 23, 201214 yr I found it so complicated, that I lost interest and stopped flying it.Engine management is done very realistically - as in, very demanding on the user.Just getting the propeller locks off is a real headache..My understanding is that in the real airplane, you have the co-pilot look out the windowto verify that the lock is off, but in the sim, you do not have that option..I like going back to the Bonanza, where I know every knob and buttonand do not have to read the manual before going on a flight..but for some, this is probably the ultimate in real ATP simulation. Bert
January 23, 201214 yr Just getting the propeller locks off is a real headache..So how are you supposed to do that and why should it be problem?
January 23, 201214 yr - read the manual for instructions- you cannot take off with the prop locks on.. :( Bert
January 23, 201214 yr Author Ok thank you. Can you disable the engine stuff?Also I'd love to know the performance difference between F1 Mustang and this plane. Performance as in frames and smoothness of the displays. | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
January 23, 201214 yr Moderator Ryan,I'm a recent convert to FSX and the J41 is one of my favorite. Since the airplane is very close to the real thing it requires to do quite some reading. Having said that, now that it's been on the market for quite a while, just youtube it, there are plenty of tutorials available and you'll be up and running quickly.The things I like the most about the J41 are the FDE and how icing is simulated. This bird is such a joy to fly in IFR down to minimums, I'm absolutely in love with it.I'm sure if you search the PMDG J41 forum you'll find the information to make the right decision.Cheers,Pete I9-13900K, RTX 4090, DR5-6000MHZ, CORSAIR ICUE H150I ELITE, ASUS PRIME Z790-P, THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER GF3 1350W, WIN 11
January 23, 201214 yr Certainly my favorite, next to the NGX. Go get it, you wont be disappointed but read the manuals for sure..
January 23, 201214 yr Commercial Member I do sooo many flights in it it's crazy. I love it. The engine stuff is hard just becaus eit's different than plain old fs stuff. No, you don't just jam the throttles full forward to take off (just like real turbo props)Starting- Start locks on before you start the flight (throttles full reverse, flip the switch below the throttles to the left and right)- start the engine making sure the throttle is at neutral and the engine temp isn't too high- after starting the engines, pull back the throttles throttle until you hear the voice say, "start locks removed"- taxi- props full forward prior to takeoff- slowly increase thrust watching the temps dont go into the red until you hear the voice say, "takeoff power set"- after takeoff reduce the props to about 98% and throttle to keep the temps below red lineThat's it.Everyone blows their engines up the first few times but it's no big deal at all. It's really amazing to fly. It's the only passenger plane that I use with TrackIR. I have landed it at fields that are very short while doing FS Economy flights. Shorter than is allowed in the actual plane. Landing isn't the problem, it's taking back off again, but I have done it lately at KGWS (3300 ft).I do have the graphical anomalies talked about it other threads when icing effects is turned on. I did find a workaround that worked some of the time but it was such a hassle that I just turned off the icing since it's just a visual thing anyway.Edit: by the way my favorite flight in FS ever was with this plane. It was KJAC-KWRL flown completely by hand skimming tree tops and ridges through the Washakie wilderness area. AWESOME! Noah Bryant
January 23, 201214 yr Alright, this thread has made me want to dust it off and pull it out of the hangar. I get caught up in flying the heavies and the little GA planes that I forget about this thing. It is really good though, with an amazing VC and night lighting. It can be a bit hard on frames, definitely more so than the NGX. Edited January 23, 201214 yr by audiohavoc Shane Gavin
January 23, 201214 yr Buy it. You will not be sorry at all. For what it represents, it is as good as their NGX!! Al Stiff
January 23, 201214 yr The JS4100 is one of my favorite aircraft to fly, specially with the FS2Crew pairing. I use it (along with the great Uiver DC-2) to fly throughout Alaska. With no good Saab 340 or Dash for FSX, the J41 fills the bill perfectly. I just did a flight today in it from Cold Bay departing in driving wind and rain (with the rain flowing beautifully down the windshield), down to Dutch Harbour and enjoyed it more than some of my recent NGX flights. You could argue it's more visually impressive from the cockpit than the NGX. You get equally impressive avionics graphics bit also rain effects, frost on windshield and ice effects on airframe. PMDG just needs to give it modern landing lights and it would be perfect. Dave Creed
January 23, 201214 yr It's very well done...but unfortunately it is still a Jetstream. The real ones are real aero-mutts--ugly, noisy, cramped, and slow. Only 100 ever went into service. A lot of work went into making a really stunning FSX reproduction of the aeronautical equivalent of the Ford Escort.The Honeywell GNSXLS FMS is not intuitive at all--very little transfer from using other mainstream FMS boxes...it takes some time getting used to it. The geared Allied engines are different to operate than the more common free-turbine turboprop like the venerable P&W PT-6. The model captures this...it doesn't slow down or descend well, and you can easily overtorque/overtemp the engine by operating it clumsily.If you want something different but well-done, go for it. If you want something you can step into with a minimum of prep and a lot of positive transfer from other planes...not the best choice. Edited January 23, 201214 yr by w6kd Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
January 23, 201214 yr And to add, you can get it fairly cheap here>>>>http://www.jr.com/aerosoft-n-a--ltd/pe/AEF_10939/ Al Stiff
January 23, 201214 yr Author . It can be a bit hard on frames, definitely more so than the NGX.And compared to the Flight1 Mustang?Thanks for the input Bob, Shane, and Dave!Oh, and Al for that link! I wasn't aware it was in box form! I'm certainly more interested now!! Edited January 23, 201214 yr by ryanbatcund | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
January 23, 201214 yr Author Woo for 35 bucks I made an impulse buy!!! | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
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