March 31, 201214 yr Hey guys! I've been flying the NGX for a few months but never got around to doing a full tutorial so I've had to learn somewhat on my own (besides using YouTube videos for procedures and all of that good stuff), but I was wondering what method is recommended for landing?Right now I set the flaps and approach speed and once I get below 2,000 I control the speed with the MCP, but I find it hard to click the speed down to a flaring speed, but do not see any other way with the auto throttle on.Is there any way to have the auto throttle stay on until, say, 100' and have it turn off to begin the flare?I'm going to try my hardest to read through the manual this weekend and hopefully finally get around to the tutorial, but ay help would be appreciated!Also, I meant is there any way to turn it off without having to click the auto throttle off manually, because having to struggle with clicking things off right before touchdown is a pain in the rear! R. Dawson
March 31, 201214 yr Unless your doing an autoland, the recommended procedure is to disconnect the autothrottle when you disconnect the autopilot. If you're doing an autoland(and the weather is good), the recommended procedure is to learn to land the aircraft :lol:Controlling the throttle manually during the approach, aim for a speed slightly above the approach speed. This will help you avoid an excessively speed. Use the throttle and pitch together to control speed and sink. Aim to cross the threshold of the runway at around 50 ft above the ground, and touchdown within the first thousand thousand feet. At 20 feet above the ground, begin slightly pitching up and closing the throttles.
March 31, 201214 yr How do you guys land?Wheels first Sorry, couldn't resist by reading the title...I'm having a hard time too getting my landings right. I know it's probably not right, but I disco the autopilot at around 300 ft AGL, and then disco the autothrottle (which is holding vref+5) over the threshold, because I'm having a hard time to control the speed manually with my Saitek X52 Pro throttle.Anyone else doing this ?One more question now we're at it: are we supposed to touch down at or above vref ? Or flare at vref and touch down a few knots less ?Also, I meant is there any way to turn it off without having to click the auto throttle off manually, because having to struggle with clicking things off right before touchdown is a pain in the rear!With my Saitek X52 Pro and FSUIPC, I'm using LINDA. I mapped the authothrottle switch to one of my buttons pretty easily so I don't have to take my hands off the controls during crucial parts of the flight. Mathieu Souphy
March 31, 201214 yr Wheels firstSorry, couldn't resist by reading the title...I was gonna say - veery carefully :)I'm having a hard time too getting my landings right. I know it's probably not right, but I disco the autopilot at around 300 ft AGL, and then disco the autothrottle (which is holding vref+5) over the threshold, because I'm having a hard time to control the speed manually with my Saitek X52 Pro throttle.Anyone else doing this ?This is not recommended by Boeing. You are supposed to work both yoke and throttles in manual flight, unless you use max regime. This lessens the risk of oscillations when AT does not know what is going on with trajectory. Maybe you hit a thermal lift and correct a bit down, now AT will try and lower the regime, which will lead to further pitchdown, you have to counteract... and there you go... unstable.If you find it problematic - practice. Find an ILS with long G/S descend part, stabilize on Vapp just after joining G/S, and disconnect.Rember to use: yoke just for small corrections, trim for speed, throttle for descend rate.One more question now we're at it: are we supposed to touch down at or above vref ? Or flare at vref and touch down a few knots less ?Approach the flare at Vapp (Vref+5 typically). At some 20 feet, pull the yoke, and throttle back to idle simultaneously. Ideal flare manouevre will then put you on touchdown, throttle reaching idle, at Vref. But provided correct vertical trajectory, speed is not critical on touchdown. --Peter Fabian
March 31, 201214 yr And remember, once you've got contact, you're stabilized, fully configured and you've disengaged AP and AT, you want to be looking at your speed and out the window only. Magnus Meese NGX Pilot VATSIM C1, SUP and Pilot
March 31, 201214 yr DIsconnect the autothrottle sooner, so you don't have to struggle...Bert Van Bulck
April 1, 201214 yr I never land, I simply fly low and slow over the runway, open the doors and tell everyone to jump. It saves a tremendous amount on tire wear and airframe cycles.Some passengers have had the temerity to complain about me not landing at their intended holiday destination, but I simply point out that not landing anywhere near where one is actually going on holiday has never done Easyjet and Ryannair any harm.Al Alan Bradbury Check out my youtube flight sim videos: Here
April 1, 201214 yr I usuall circle the airfield at 3000ft until I can see the threshold of the active through the clouds, then call for the "brace for impact" notification while nosing over for a 0ft rollout. I tend to cut the engines prior to the death dive to save wear and tear on the engines. I have been toying with a new way of saving time by developing a precision approach in the same fashion except I just dive vertically at my assigned gate. While simulating my new approach technique, I have found my maintenance costs have increased a lot. LOL "To most the sky is the limit but to me it's home" Rick Harms (CYVR) i7 [email protected] (for now) asus p6t v2, 6gb ocz 1600 CL7 ram. BFG 285 oc, vista 64, Samsung 52" 1080p lcd track IR5. PMDG j41, 747-400x, 747-8i/f, NGX.......Finally!!!!
April 1, 201214 yr Unless your doing an autoland, the recommended procedure is to disconnect the autothrottle when you disconnect the autopilot. If you're doing an autoland(and the weather is good), the recommended procedure is to learn to land the aircraft :lol:Controlling the throttle manually during the approach, aim for a speed slightly above the approach speed. This will help you avoid an excessively speed. Use the throttle and pitch together to control speed and sink. Aim to cross the threshold of the runway at around 50 ft above the ground, and touchdown within the first thousand thousand feet. At 20 feet above the ground, begin slightly pitching up and closing the throttles.Disconnecting the aurothrottles when you disconnect the autopilot isn't the recommended proceduremitch bowman Mitch Brown Private Pilot | Aerospace Engineering Major
April 1, 201214 yr Disconnecting the aurothrottles when you disconnect the autopilot isn't the recommended procedurePlease enlighten. Dave Wegner - Don't be afraid of common sense or the search function.
April 1, 201214 yr True the manual does not enforce the A/T to be switched off after A/P disconnection.You can easily use A/T down to the flaring point, but I do not recommend it! The A/T does not know what you intend to do, and will always try to put a 5 knot buffer which can seriously affect your landing attitude and rate of descent.I disconnect it all when I go to manual, usually the throttle can be left at around 60% N1 with only few further adjustments required until retarding.I do how ever struggle to land the 737-800! The -700 is somewhat straightforward, but the -800 is such a beast IMO. Retarding the engines too late will float you down half the runway, retarding too early will let you smash your main gear, and if you pull up too hard you will float, too slow and you will hit the ground-hard! Yours trulyBoaz FraizerCopenhagen, Denmark
April 1, 201214 yr Hello,I think the correct procedure is: you can land as you wish, but you should disconnect - if you wish to land manual - the A/P and A/T, before 400 feet at (or on? I hate propositions) descent. On (correct propositions?) Boeing aircrafts you land always fully manual or fully automaticly, at least B737. I do not know if that is not allowed but it is not sensible to land with A/T, only. How I said you could use A/T but should disconnect before 400 feet. I hope it is not wrong, I have learned it so.
April 1, 201214 yr Once i'm on the ILS or with field in sight in visual landings, i control everything manually. A/P off A/T off. CASE: Fractal Terra Silver CPU: AMD R5 7800X3D 5.0Ghz RAM: 32GB DDR5 6000 GPU: nVidia RTX 4070 Ti SUPER · SSDs: Samsung 990 PRO 2TB M.2 PCIe · PNY XLR8 CS3040 2TB M.2 PCIe · VIDEO: LG-32GK650F QHD 32" 144Hz FREE/G-SYNC · MISC: Thrustmaster TCA Airbus Joystick + Throttle Quadrant · MSFS2024 · Windows 11
April 1, 201214 yr Disconnecting the aurothrottles when you disconnect the autopilot isn't the recommended procedureIs too! --Peter Fabian
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