I bought it a couple days ago and am enjoying it. Sure, it's no PMDG but very few products are. That out of the way, I think it is done very nicely.

 

The plane flies well, although seems a bit underpowered above 20K ft. No big deal because the short flights I tend to make don't take me much higher than that.

 

My only other criticism is that time of the VC textures could be a bit cleaner.

 

In all, I think it is a nice plane and worth a look for anyone that might be on the fence.

just to let you know ,there are some realy nice repaints being produced on S O H combat flight centre for this BAE 146 ,well worth a look ,realy enjoying this aircraft ,I have been waiting a long time for a good version of the BEA 146 ,having flown many time on these planes from city of london airport ,

peter

According to JustFlight, the BAe 146 modeled did not come with an FMC, so they did not put one in. Because they new some people would want one, they included it in their livery expansion pack (very inexpensive).

Considering that this aircraft did not come from the factory with an FMC, it really is not a lite version.

The FMC that is included is mainly to manage doors, GPU, monitor flight, and have an interactive Checklist, which is really very handy and well worth the few bucks that they charge for the expansion pack.

Just Flight's logic for not including the lite FMC as standard seems strange. The original 146 didn't have an FMC as standard, but I suspect most have had one installed subsequently. As the JF 146 includes a CDU panel to control some sim features that appears to show the flight deck modelled has an FMC.

 

Maybe they felt most FS lite customers would rather not pay for an FMC and so made it an option.

According to QualitySim, their BAe 146, which, unlike this one, is a glass cockpit, is also a lighter version. I look forward to also having QW's version for FSX also.

It seems to me that there are plenty of systems working in this aircraft and setting up the aircraft takes a little time.

The virtual cockpit and exterior model look great and I purchased Turbine Sound Studio's engine sounds (which is usually what I do for any aircraft sim), so the engines sound great.

I'm very pleased with my purchase and I'm having a lot of fun with it.

The QW sim does indeed have a lite option, but the full simulation is very complete, including the FMC. Anyone who already was the QW sim will eventually have both 146 and RJ versions with a lite option. The JF sim is a lite 146 only. Perhaps JF will offer more expansions later, but as things stand the QW version has more versions and more systems fidelity.

 

Personally I'm happy with the QW sounds, but I guess you pay your money and take your choice.

Just Flight's logic for not including the lite FMC as standard seems strange. The original 146 didn't have an FMC as standard, but I suspect most have had one installed subsequently. As the JF 146 includes a CDU panel to control some sim features that appears to show the flight deck modelled has an FMC.

 

Maybe they felt most FS lite customers would rather not pay for an FMC and so made it an option.

 

I guess the one they modeled is the original one. The FLite FMC that is in the expansion fits where the ADF 1 would go in the virtual cockpit. Of course it is still available as a pop-up.

QW has modeled the subsequent version.

I'm really enjoying flying this JF version using VOR to VOR anyway.

I'm not really an FS lite customer since I am right at home in the NGX and Maddog MD80, which are not considered "lite" sims.

 

 

The QW sim does indeed have a lite option, but the full simulation is very complete, including the FMC. Anyone who already was the QW sim will eventually have both 146 and RJ versions with a lite option. The JF sim is a lite 146 only. Perhaps JF will offer more expansions later, but as things stand the QW version has more versions and more systems fidelity.

 

Personally I'm happy with the QW sounds, but I guess you pay your money and take your choice.

 

I'm not making a choice, since as soon as QW releases the FSX version, I will have it. On the other hand, they are the ones that admitted that their FMC is not the full version.

I intend to buy the QW version for FSX as well. I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the 146/RJ and until now they have been sorely missed in FSX. I won't complain about either or any attempts at creating one.

 

Judging by QW's excellent 757, I am sure that their 146 is also excellent. however, the JF/CLS 146 is here now and far from a bad representation. I find their interpretation of the plane nice and a joy to fly.

 

Now, if I could just get my hands on a good F.28......

Now, if I could just get my hands on a good F.28......

 

Hello

You and me both, followed by a nice F.50

Then an F.27. Don't need no FMC for that either.

So can anyone tell us what navigation systems are available on this plane? Is it just VOR and ADF?

 

The navigation system is VOR and ADF, but it also uses the default FSX GPS to load FSX flightplans. I haven't used the GPS with it because I'm having a lot of fun flying with the VORs RMI and ADFs.

 

The Simcon panel can be accessed by pulling up the 2D main panel and clicking on the little arrow at the lower right. This sim has many pop-up panels to choose from.

A question for Nortmar. I tried to create without luck an account on CLS! so I"ll ask my question here:

 

1) Is the thrust management system functional?

2) I use ground services, but after loading the 146-200, the ground services panel won't open, saying that I have to cut the engines first. Problem is that he engines are off on startup, according to the gauges. When I cutoff the fuel, and then reset the throttles, ground services window can be opened without a problem? What is causing this?

 

Jos

A question for Nortmar. I tried to create without luck an account on CLS! so I"ll ask my question here:

 

1) Is the thrust management system functional?

2) I use ground services, but after loading the 146-200, the ground services panel won't open, saying that I have to cut the engines first. Problem is that he engines are off on startup, according to the gauges. When I cutoff the fuel, and then reset the throttles, ground services window can be opened without a problem? What is causing this?

 

Jos

 

Hi Jos,

 

If you need to help with the product, the first port of call is not the CLS forum but our support section: http://www.justflight.com/support-contact

 

1.) No, the TMS is non-functional

2.) The avionics are off when the aircraft is loaded from the free flight menu, but the engines will be running. You need to use the fuel cut off to shut down the engines (right click on the base of the levers). We intend to modify the cold & dark state and auto start function in an update, to make this clearer.

 

Thanks

Martyn

If you want to start the aircraft in a fully cold & dark state, I would recommend the usual method of loading the default C172 - switching off the engine, avionics master and battery master and then switching over to the 146.

Ok, thank you. Will do that.

 

Jos

Well, I purchased the Fms witch gives a bit more control, but ... the Fms hides the pilot's com and adf in the VC. Furthermore, I discovered that Com is death until engine start.

The radios should work fine with the battery master and avionics master switches on.

 

The FMC replaces the COM 1 and ADF 1 radios, but those frequencies can be set using either the FMC (RAD NAV page) or the 2D pedestal panel.

Ok after all chose to buy this. Graphically its really impressive, both cockpit, exterior and cabin look all really good, cabin view reminds me nicely from my many flights as pax on Blue 1 Avro RJ85, similar view to engines and wings. Also system wise it seems to be better than other products made by CLS, and sounds are pretty good.

 

Then what I don't like so much: Flight dynamics.

 

First, especially in landing configuration plane seems to be awfully heavy to turn, takes full right/left yoke to do slow turn. I have no idea if this could be actually realistic, I guess I will wait for QW version and then compare how it flies and adjust flight dynamics myself if necessary.

 

Then second thing which is obvious fault with flight dynamics. Rudder, although its of course animated, doesn't do anything. Rudder inputs seem to have no effect on how aircraft flies. This has been a problem with some previous CLS birds too, but with this one its even worse. Not good for crosswind flying.

 

Overall I think it was still worth it, maybe I can tweak these flight dynamics better myself if these aren't going to be corrected by its developer.

 

// Update: By changing rudder effectiveness and aileron effectiveness bigger in aircraft.cfg I have gotten this plane to fly like I would expect it to do, with these tweaks I think it is worth the money.