Please...just...let it....die......

 

no the pigeon must fly.. and hopefully with a full glass pit

nope, just the small windshield in front of you... remember full glass pit was not common until late 30s at the earliest...

I say October-December

I say October-December

 

If updates don't pick up or stay as they are I honestly can't say I think it will. I do however have a feeling the next update(s) could be really good news. Just seems a bit off to me, in July Rob was going on about these new previews, even a video. Now it's September and nothing. The manuals being released is a good sign though!

The manuals being released is a good sign though!

 

If I recall correctly the manuals for the NGX was released around christmas 2010. The plane august 2011, so around itself came 7-8 months later

 

But I surely hope we will se her soon though ! ^_^

If I recall correctly the manuals for the NGX was released around christmas 2010. The plane august 2011, so around itself came 7-8 months later

 

But I surely hope we will se her soon though ! ^_^

 

Nah Rob said they released them closer to release, maybe I should of said that with saying it was a good thing they were released ha :-)

 

Just seen Vatsim Across The Pond, shame we won't have her for it!

Nah Rob said they released them closer to release, maybe I should of said that with saying it was a good thing they were released ha :-)

 

No, Anders was right about the timeline, but I doubt the NGX timeline will correlate to the 777 one, since printing some manuals has nothing to do with the actual development of the plane. I suppose releasing the manuals early gives us time to learn but gives them a way to make a little bit off the plane during the long development cycle.

No, Anders was right about the timeline, but I the NGX timeline will correlate to the 777 one, since printing some manuals has nothing to do with the actual development of the plane. I suppose releasing the manuals early gives us time to learn but gives them a way to make a little bit off the plane during the long development cycle.

I think you misunderstood what Luke said. Rob said that they have released the 777 manuals quite a bit closer to release than what they did for the NGX. (Which could be a good sign )

I think you misunderstood what Luke said. Rob said that they have released the 777 manuals quite a bit closer to release than what they did for the NGX. (Which could be a good sign )

Sure is!

I think you misunderstood what Luke said. Rob said that they have released the 777 manuals quite a bit closer to release than what they did for the NGX. (Which could be a good sign )

 

Oh I understand - although I don't think we are anywhere near a release date now

Would be nice for some updates from PMDG though...

+1 yeah. would be great

A update would be great,

 

JeffG

Yeah reminds me of the guy I heard claiming he couldn't do a visual approach because it wasn't in his FMS database.... *sigh*

 

Truth is, many of us learned "the hard way" about flight in the heavy jets. We lacked the physical attributes, education and luck to become military pilots. So we fly only in simulation. We started with the FSX default planes, and fumbled around with the Garmin GPS nav systems, until one day, we went up to the default 737. Later, we swallowed our pride and bought a 737NG from iFly, and still later, discovered Nirvana in the PMDG 737NGX.

 

Since we are not formally-trained pilots, and since we had to learn (flight procedures) by actually flying of the simulator aircraft, there was a painful period wherein we could not land the plane visually, but only with the crutch of ILS. Then we encountered the controller who (though we filed an IFR flight plan) cleared us for a visual approach at our destination airport. We rapidly encountered the perils of coming in too hot in the NGX (and blew through the runway). We discovered we had mis-configured our add-on control surfaces and the reverse thrusters didn't deploy. Found out the hard way what happens when you ride the brakes too long. And so on and so forth.

 

After many flight hours, we grudgingly picked up some improved skills, though we are still far from conversant, and sometimes (particularly late at night on sleep-deprived flight plans) forget something pretty important and encounter new problems, or the odd controller who is perhaps having their own version of a 'bad day at Black Rock'. That said, I must applaud VATSIM in general and the major center controllers across the Vatsim network for generally being a pretty darned nice bunch- willing to help if their airspace isn't too loaded up. Most of what I know about the FMC and some flight procedures I was pointed towards the information by a controller. What once was awkward and strange is now the very familiar, and that's primarily because the Vatsim controllers (generally) encouraged rather than discouraged a newbie pilot. Some went so far as to explain how to load a fix and a radial to fly the Loop6 as published out of LAX. A small thing that was a real eye-opener.

 

It's hard to admit, but ego aside, none of us was born with a Yoke between our legs, or a full understanding of all the applicable controls and how they work together on any given air frame. And even though FSX physics may not be 100% real-world by quite a long bit, nonetheless we now know much more about the proper rate of descent, how fast we realistically can shed altitude and speed, and when we need to add some space to our flight path so we come in at a proper landing speed.

 

I often encounter new pilots on Vatsim who are quite nervous about making a mistake, or having a mistake pointed out by a rancorous controller. Thankfully most of these folks manage to hang on and learn by doing. Real world flight instruction, even in the small planes, is far from inexpensive. About $7500 where I live, just for the private pilot ticket, plus another 5k for instrument-rating (private pilot). We aren't even up to heavy jets yet.

 

So when someone makes a comment about the 'visual approaches' not being available in the FMC, we can smile and nod our heads at the humor, but with good spirit having been that new pilot once upon a time ourselves...

 

As far as "updates" from PMDG - I think that ship has sailed. Captain Randazzo and his team know the perils of offering up projected dates, be they Beta, or Full Release. I think it is incumbent upon us to await the 'official' release of the new aircraft. Whenever it's ready to buy and fly, we'll be told, I'm pretty sure!

Good post Robert...Couldn't agree more

 

I remember when I was a newbie at Gatwick Controller was very helpful and kind and helped me nicely even though he had about 250 aircraft on in CTP