I raised the issue of providing updates and expected release dates on the aerosoft forum and was told the company policy was to provide info to potential customers. It is a brave policy given the uncertainties involved with software development and the moaning from the behaviour of some that is equivalent to immature brats!!!!

 

Craig

When someone is writing a post expressing frustration from the repeated and continuous delay of an add-on release, it doesn't mean that, he is not understanding the process of development or he is careless about others efforts trying to improve a product or underestimating the work load involved in the process ......it's all about broken promises that developers make and fail to fulfill, I was following the Extended release date and I remember that, in three weeks there was three promises of release and one of them has a day and Zulu time..... now the release is delayed because the forum admin or maybe the head of the development team is travelling to attend a conference....I really lost interest because I got somehow a feeling of disrespect from that attitude.If at day 1 they mentioned the release is 1st of Jan. next year it would be fine.

When someone is writing a post expressing frustration from the repeated and continuous delay of an add-on release, it doesn't mean that, he is not understanding the process of development or he is careless about others efforts trying to improve a product or underestimating the work load involved in the process ......it's all about broken promises that developers make and fail to fulfill, I was following the Extended release date and I remember that, in three weeks there was three promises of release and one of them has a day and Zulu time..... now the release is delayed because the forum admin or maybe the head of the development team is travelling to attend a conference....I really lost interest because I got somehow a feeling of disrespect from that attitude.If at day 1 they mentioned the release is 1st of Jan. next year it would be fine.

 

We were earnestly telling you our release dates that we have set ourselves. Really, We tried for that date but... I don't see how we disrespected you but if you feel offended, on behalf of aerosoft, my apologies. We have our own internal dates now (as usual we will msot likely not meet it lol) but we will never share it.

 

Again and I will say it again, there is no release date now. If we release it, it will just pop out of nowhere under the release section.

When someone is writing a post expressing frustration from the repeated and continuous delay of an add-on release, it doesn't mean that, he is not understanding the process of development or he is careless about others efforts trying to improve a product or underestimating the work load involved in the process ......it's all about broken promises that developers make and fail to fulfill, I was following the Extended release date and I remember that, in three weeks there was three promises of release and one of them has a day and Zulu time..... now the release is delayed because the forum admin or maybe the head of the development team is travelling to attend a conference....I really lost interest because I got somehow a feeling of disrespect from that attitude.If at day 1 they mentioned the release is 1st of Jan. next year it would be fine.

 

if you can show me where it says .."I promise you it will be released on this day at that time..i will leap off tower bridge.these dates given are expected release dates.not promises as you keep repeating.and if it was Jan 2nd or 3rd would you still complain ..don't buy it,get your own back on them for fixing bugs before release and don't give them your money.

 

quote from Mathijs on whether the Airbus will be released on september the 13th(hope you don't mind mathijs)

 

"As definite as I can be at this moment. There are a few issues that are worrisome and not completed at this moment, but I got good hopes these will be done in time"

 

steve-0

We were earnestly telling you our release dates that we have set ourselves. Really, We tried for that date but... I don't see how we disrespected you but if you feel offended, on behalf of aerosoft, my apologies. We have our own internal dates now (as usual we will msot likely not meet it lol) but we will never share it.

 

Again and I will say it again, there is no release date now. If we release it, it will just pop out of nowhere under the release section.

 

Thank you Joshua I appreciate your apology, I know it's not personal in anyway.

Alaar,

 

I don't know what posts you have been reading but the comments from some on the Aerosoft forum and here on Avsim have been childish in the extreme. The behaviour is akin to how my 4 year old niece behaves when she can't get her own way.

 

Joshua it was nice of you to extend an apology on behalf of Aerosoft but to my mind it's not needed. To my mind, Aerosoft have been upfront about what is happening with the development for which Mathijs deserves praise.

 

I will get off my soap box now and go and pick up the toys and throw them back into the play pen :smile:

 

Craig

if you can show me where it says .."I promise you it will be released on this day at that time..i will leap off tower bridge.these dates given are expected release dates.not promises as you keep repeating.and if it was Jan 2nd or 3rd would you still complain ..don't buy it,get your own back on them for fixing bugs before release and don't give them your money.

 

quote from Mathijs on whether the Airbus will be released on september the 13th(hope you don't mind mathijs)

 

"As definite as I can be at this moment. There are a few issues that are worrisome and not completed at this moment, but I got good hopes these will be done in time"

 

steve-0

 

Well I don't know what you trying to achieve here Steve, but to let you know...if we are the customers are not appreciating the product and other products by Aerosoft we wouldn't even bother with the release dates delay or not. I think on this forum it will be pointless to bring dates, events and quote others as if we are investigating a crime. I guess, I am as others will have to wait until it's done and what I was saying above with about the definition / explanation of frustration to some and not necessarily applicable to you Sir.

Alaar

what i'm trying to achieve here is to put an end to the constant complaining about expected release dates.there were No promises made,yes dates were given which were not met.your right 3 dates were given ,but nowhere could i find a date and time with a promise of a release.

I also couldn't speak here without making sure my facts were correct,so i did check as much as i could to make sure of it.

It's nothing personal to you,just frustration with the nonstop criticism of aerosoft on most of the forums i visit.before you know it the Airbus EX will be released and we both can put our PMDG 737ngx in the Hangar for a while.

 

take care

steve-0

Alaar,

 

I don't know what posts you have been reading but the comments from some on the Aerosoft forum and here on Avsim have been childish in the extreme. The behaviour is akin to how my 4 year old niece behaves when she can't get her own way.

 

Joshua it was nice of you to extend an apology on behalf of Aerosoft but to my mind it's not needed. To my mind, Aerosoft have been upfront about what is happening with the development for which Mathijs deserves praise.

 

I will get off my soap box now and go and pick up the toys and throw them back into the play pen :smile:

 

Craig

 

Hello Craig,

My point was a little different from your example of the 4 years old kids playing and waiting for toys and cant wait....No it's different and it's simple if you cant keep a promise ...simply don't make it....it cant be that hard to understand and Sir I am not 4 years old I am nearly 50, I would like to say that, I felt very positive and good about the kind words of Joshua, that only expressed his professionalism......so thank you Joshua again.

 

Alaar

what i'm trying to achieve here is to put an end to the constant complaining about expected release dates.there were No promises made,yes dates were given which were not met.your right 3 dates were given ,but nowhere could i find a date and time with a promise of a release.

I also couldn't speak here without making sure my facts were correct,so i did check as much as i could to make sure of it.

It's nothing personal to you,just frustration with the nonstop criticism of aerosoft on most of the forums i visit.before you know it the Airbus EX will be released and we both can put our PMDG 737ngx in the Hangar for a while.

 

take care

steve-0

 

OK, I understand now...... I wasn't following much the forum here, this was my first post ....my complains came after so many complains before.....so you right....thanks

 

I would like to apologize to you all if my post was inappropriate or offended any body

Patience, like many other attributes is key. However, at some point that gets trumped by delivery. Can Aerosoft deliver or not? Simply saying "give the developers time" to get it right doesn't mean anything. Duke Nukem was in development for 14 years and still didn't get it right. Ditto for many other programs. So when you step on the commercial stage as Aerosoft has, and you charge a premium price, all that matters is that that you deliver a good product within your announced timeframe. Everything else is an excuse.

Patience, like many other attributes is key. However, at some point that gets trumped by delivery. Can Aerosoft deliver or not? Simply saying "give the developers time" to get it right doesn't mean anything. Duke Nukem was in development for 14 years and still didn't get it right. Ditto for many other programs. So when you step on the commercial stage as Aerosoft has, and you charge a premium price, all that matters is that that you deliver a good product within your announced timeframe. Everything else is an excuse.

 

I agree

Is there a "Vote this post down" button? <_<

Patience, like many other attributes is key. However, at some point that gets trumped by delivery. Can Aerosoft deliver or not? Simply saying "give the developers time" to get it right doesn't mean anything. Duke Nukem was in development for 14 years and still didn't get it right. Ditto for many other programs. So when you step on the commercial stage as Aerosoft has, and you charge a premium price, all that matters is that that you deliver a good product within your announced timeframe. Everything else is an excuse.

patience ..absolutely

1 can aerosoft deliver.. i think yes and soon

2 will it take 14 years ..hope not :smile:

3 is what aerosoft are charging for the airbus Ex a premium price 39.99 euros.the price of a pizza for 3.for the amount of time and use i get from it it's a very small price to pay.

 

 

steve-0

what ever the developers are changing on the bus or adding onto it- is probably alot more than what we are expecting because it was suppose to be finished, and they said that it was going to be finshed a few weeks ago... but it looks like they decided to do some big changes and (or) improvements, which is why its taking this long.

TCAS doesn't work on Vatsim so Ill be skipping it.