I can at least settle one argument right now about Canadians going to the USA for Healthcare....

 

I will say this is true, because Pamela Anderson was born in Canada but her Breasts were Made in the USA. Good job America :LMAO:

Pamela Anderson? This very sexist photo signals that it's time for a moderator to step in and close this topic!!!

I can at least settle one argument right now about Canadians going to the USA for Healthcare....

 

I will say this is true, because Pamela Anderson was born in Canada but her Breasts were Made in the USA. Good job America

Well someone clearly didn't work out their load and balance figures correctly before that particular procedure... :blink: :blush: :rolleyes: :LMAO:

 

Regards,

Ró.

A picture of Pam's assets would be the best thing posted on this thread. IMHO.

Pamela Anderson? This very sexist photo signals that it's time for a moderator to step in and close this topic!!!

 

 

No worries. It was just tongue and cheek.

 

Reality is about that claim that Canadians go to the USA for Healthcare is proven false time and time again.

 

There are 250,000 US Citizens living in Canada as well as expats from all over the world living in Canada, so that is probably around 1/2 million to 1 million people living in Canada that are not eligible for Canadian Healthcare due to resident status. That leaves the option for those to pay for Healthcare in Canada or go to the USA.

 

And as I was mentioning above the other reason which is the most common is Canadians going to the USA for Elective surgery, things like Plastic Surgery that are not covered by public healthcare. Good thing because I wouldn't want my taxes paying for enhancements.

 

On rare occasion, the Canadian Government will pay to send a Canadian Citizen to the USA for surgery that is not available in Canada, but that doesn't happen very often. In that situation the Canadian Citizen doesn't pay, The provincial Healthcare plan will pay for it.

I would say that statement is not true, The reality is the quality of care is pretty much equal in the top 20 nations. USA doesn't rate very high (number 37 in the world):

 

http://en.wikipedia...._health_systems

 

Also the number of Canadians that travel to the USA for medical treatment is around 1% (Very low). Not even worth bringing up.

 

Yes the Mayo Clinic has contacts in Canada but that would be more to support US Expats living in Canada (who are not eligible for Canadian Care) then offering care to Canadians. Remember that 250,535 US Citizens live in Canada.

 

It's a serious mistake to use life-expectancy comparisons to eveluate medical care. If you remove deaths from traffic accidents and murder from the data, the US has the highest life expectancy in the world. Survival rates for all sorts of diseases such as heart edisease and cancer are higher here than in any European country or Canada. The Mayo Clinic insurance is sold to Canadians who don't want to wait for things like joint replacement. Even Canadian politicians get care here when they're in a hurry.

 

It may also be worth mentionoing that nearly all new drugs come from American drug companies. Once a government takes over health care, the incentive to innovate vanishes.

.....They kind of dug themselves in a hole with defense contracts and a defense industry. Try cutting that and see the ripple effects.

 

Second that.

Yes I do agree some wealthy or some politicians have gone to the USA for care instead of Canada. Ralph Klein is one of those individuals. But like I said those numbers are extremely low

 

I am not worried about it...I am just an average Joe and happy with the way things are in the world. Not worth getting too worked up over it.

 

Hopefully my friends on here are covered as well as I don't want to see hardships on anyone over a health concern.

 

With that I will bow out of this topic and get back to Aviation Chatter...

 

:p0504:

 

Cheers

With NHS, why would GE need to donate incubators to a UK hospital? http://www.gereports.com/olympic-babies/

 

Shouldn't the government provide free, state of the art incubators to every hospital?

Hi duck. Good luck with the Series.....GO GIANTS!!!

 

The problems in this Country are rooted in greed...propagated by the myth that anyone can become rich. Why does anyone think they should be able to accumulate millions of dollars? It is not possible to EARN millions. The Pharoas did not build the Pyramids...the people did and who remembers them?

Reality it the United States is 50 individual states. If Healthcare is to work in the USA then each individual state would be responsible to deliver Healthcare.

 

Each state in size ranges from 570,000 people to 38,000,000 people. So reality is that is like 50 individual countries not much different in size to countries like New Zealand, Sweden or Canada.

 

The Healthcare Act in Canada is a federal law that outlines how each province handles its own healthcare. In the USA the Federal Government would also need to pass a similar law, then each state handle the Healthcare individually.

 

This would mean the Healthcare you receive and funding, taxes etc would vary from state to state. Some would be better then others. This would also mean if you are a California Resident for example and are injured in Utah, then Utah would have to send the medical bill to the state of California.

 

Yes it would be a major undertaking and increase taxes. Reality is each US citizen pays about $2200 dollars per person, per year towards defense spending, in New Zealand we pay around $800 per person per year on defense. That right there is the main reason why the United States can't afford healthcare. They kind of dug themselves in a hole with defense contracts and a defense industry. Try cutting that and see the ripple effects.

 

Breaking the bill up into fifty pieces is not going to keep healthcare from devouring our nation. Again, as I and others here have said, the underlying problem of healthcare is the costs. Costs that come from unnecessary services stemming from our litigious culture and the exhorbitant selling prices of the service itself. For fun, I just pulled up the statement from my last checkup with my doctor. He spent probably 15 minutes with me checking my blood pressure with one of those arm squeezy things, listened to my heartbeat and breathing with one of those stethoscopy thingys, asked me a few questions about how I was feeling, and had me go down the hall to have the nurse draw a vial of blood. The "Medical Visit" was $140.00 and the laboratory services for checking the vial of blood for things like cholesterol, blood sugar, etc., was $228.00. A total of $368.00 for the 30 minute visit. Did providing that service really cost my doctor anywhere near $368 of cost of goods sold? I don't have any problem with striving to care for everybody that needs caring. My problem is with throwing all our money into an industry that jins up exhorbitant prices that have little relation to its cost. Before we mandate that everybody buys healthcare, or raise our taxes or cull the military to support the healthcare industry, why not ensure that the amount of money being paid to it is actually a fair amount? Maybe if we cull the cost of healthcare first, people can afford it, and even the government can then afford to provide gratis healthcare for everybody without endangering the wealth and health of the nation.

 

If you don't cull the costs of healthcare first, even with a state by state plan, it would just cause bankruptcies state by state. You'd just end up with Germany Texas having to bail out Greece California, as the ECB Federal government tries to force the Californians to institute austerity measures to reign in their spending. You'll just end up with a lot of cars being burned in the streets and molotov cocktails being thrown.

 

It is easy for someone sitting on a small island nation in the middle of an ocean far away from everything that doesn't have a care or say in world affairs to say just cut all your defense spending. Some of the ripple effects of that kind of cut to the US military might very well be millions of dead Taiwanese people as China invades, or maybe millions of dead Israelis when Syria and Iran attack, or millions of dead Americans when Al-Queda destroys New York. Will the world still be better off that we traded our military for federally funded health insurance and allowed a calamity to occur? Ironically in a discussion about health insurance, few realize that the military is also nothing but an insurance policy. Something you don't want to pay for and don't appreciate until something unforseen happens, then you all wish you had more of it.

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion--even "someone sitting on a small island nation in the middle of an ocean far away from everything that doesn't have a care or say in world affairs."

 

What started out as an interesting discussion and what we professors call a teachable moment has started to devolve.

 

... And with that, I'm out.

Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion--even "someone sitting on a small island nation in the middle of an ocean far away from everything that doesn't have a care or say in world affairs."

 

What started out as an interesting discussion and what we professors call a teachable moment has started to devolve.

 

... And with that, I'm out.

 

A very specific comparison of cost per capita spent on defense was made between New Zealand and the United States. The differences between the two are due to differences in the geopolitical situations of each of those nations. Pointing out those differences was not meant to be offensive.

A very specific comparison of cost per capita spent on defense was made between New Zealand and the United States. The differences between the two are due to differences in the geopolitical situations of each of those nations. Pointing out those differences was not meant to be offensive.

 

This is the reason why I said "Try cutting that and see the ripple effects."

 

It is easy for someone sitting on a small island nation in the middle of an ocean far away from everything that doesn't have a care or say in world affairs to say just cut all your defense spending.

 

I didn't say cut it, I said TRY.... I was just making an observation....

 

I am not a New Zealand Citizen mate....I am 1/2 American and 1/2 Canadian. I am only just a New Zealand Resident. I've only lived here for less then 2 years now.

With NHS, why would GE need to donate incubators to a UK hospital? http://www.gereports...olympic-babies/

 

Shouldn't the government provide free, state of the art incubators to every hospital?

 

Because though the NHS is state funded, it still has budgets that is has to meet. They simply can't afford to put state-of-the-art equipment in every hospital. However, in my experience, when a new hospital is built (to replace an existing one), is it filled with brand new equipment.

 

Re the cost of a checkup - in the UK it would probably 'cost' about the same (if you see what I mean as you still pay nothing at point of use). If you are a qualified doctor, it is a very well paid profession.