To show how ridiculous its getting, read this. (Now wending its way through the supreme court)

http://www.theatlant...ght-law/258276/

Don't we feel.. protected now? ^_^

 

I think that, when all the effective and less effective laws have placed 50% of the customers in jail and when the one page on the Internet shows two buttons, 'buy now' and 'I admit', we could set up a small music service for the folks missing their relatives due to their own protection.

 

You know, something nice, soft music, to ease the pain. :Black Eye: It doesn't solve anything, but that wouldn't be any different to now, right?

Allthough capitalism scientific progress is the one single factor that has bettered the most amount of peoples living standard, health and life expectancy by far in the history of the world. Far more successful than even penicillin

I had to correct that phrase since the winner perspective may otherwise lose track of some of the downsides. And that scientific progress wasn't bound to any economical system so far. Asking scientist, you will actually hear them complaining about how the industrial focus harms what's called science and runs it down to simple R&D with a clear focus on financial gains.

 

To see how financial interests and trade agreements for example prevent cheap medicine for people, leading to their deaths, actually ridicules those individuals when you are writing the prevention mechanics up to levels they can't reach. Perhaps you weren't aware of that character trait.

 

On another occasion, one could look how many slaves the 2012 world incorporates and how their environmental circumstances look like when they are mining Coltan or just build our electronic gadgets as cheap as possbile. What was that? Foxconn lately 'found' kids working in their facilities? Must have been a terrible mistake. But I actually think the words used show the real drama. :mellow:

 

Question is, who cares about such things when winning? No offence. :Peace:

I think what people forget is, especially here in the US, the ISP's are simply selling you a service to gain access to the internet. The providers can alter that service how they please. If a provider whats to monitor or block IP's you are going to it is their right.

 

The ISP's are just trying to protect themselves from being brought in on RIAA and other copyright lawsuits.

 

No different than Dish network not providing access to AMC, Disney, FX, etc. It is their service and they can limit it how they want.

 

The only fire power the customer has is to leave the provider.

You can offer a service under certain conditions. You have to be clear on those conditions beforehand and you can't change them to your liking after the customer accepted the deal. This is not a matter of being a paid or free service.

 

There is no right to alter your business and forcing customers to obey. On the case, if providers change the contract, they have to be clear about the exact changes and the customer can either accept or not accept them.

 

You, the customer, aren't cattle. And privacy matters aren't a lightweight change when it comes to full spectrum logging and analysis. And those changes will always have to reflect the boundaries a law defines. And laws only get defined by governments, not by companies or their lobbyists.

 

The ISP's are just trying to protect themselves from being brought in on RIAA and other copyright lawsuits.

And there's your problem. Valid point, John. But when looking at the outcome of trying to blame the mailman for bad mail, the copyright owners didn't succeed so far.

 

Therefore, the step from Internet providers should be to come together and state their interest. Interests which may not include the need for extra equipment and logging tools.

 

Now the picture instantly changes, when the Internet provider is owned by the same company fighting those copyright lawsuits of course.

Not theft?

 

To show how ridiculous its getting, read this. (Now wending its way through the supreme court)

 

http://www.theatlant...ght-law/258276/

 

This is where successive iterations of "Something must be done!!!" leads you on the copyright front. Most people would say this makes no sense at all. Tell that to the judge, if this is upheld.

If the Supremes were to decide to uphold this rediculous lower court ruling, the end result would be more and more folks deciding to only buy "Made Entirely in the USA" products if only to preserve their rights under the "First Sale" doctrine.

Which is what I meant earlier about unintended consequences. The people who push these things have interests so narrow that the repercussions of enactment don't seem to enter their calculations at all. Either that, or they believe their concerns trump the needs of the greater society.

 

How many of us support the idea of anti-piracy? I would suspect most if not all; but at what costs? When does the cure become deadlier than the original disease?

When does the cure become deadlier than the original disease?

I'd love to quote that one. I just did. ^_^ Because it's good.

 

But, when putting on my devil's advocate costume, who should be concerned about the answer to that question? And who actually is? :mellow:

I'd love to quote that one. I just did. ^_^ Because it's good.

 

But, when putting on my devil's advocate costume, who should be concerned about the answer to that question? And who actually is? :mellow:

 

The huge crowds protesting all across Europe after NAFTA nearly passed. The enormous amount of people who participated in the internet blackout. Owners and operators of websites all over the world under threat by draconian laws. The electronic frontier foundation, and the American civil liberties Union. Anyone not ready to sacrifice innovation in exchange for monopoly. Libraries and schools worried about access to drm books and other issues... the list goes on and on.

 

Its not that people don't fight these things. Whole inter-meshed networks of people fight, and often win; more often than the unconcerned even know, but eternal vigilance is......... hard.

You will be assimilated - resistance is futile... I used to think that was funny - not so much anymore...

 

Regards,

Scott

I get really nervous whenever I hear/read folks talking about my prefix to "imilated..."

So is it copyright infringement when someone tosses out an Ipod or Hardrive containing MP3's or films, and someone else finds it in the trash and retrieves the MP3's or MP4's???

 

We do have a friend that retrieved hard drives from a radio station (I won't say which one) and he salvaged the hard drives and found over 10,000 MP3's. Good find B)

The huge crowds protesting all across Europe after NAFTA nearly passed.

 

Do you mean SOPA? Pretty sure NAFTA passed quite some time ago.

Do you mean SOPA? Pretty sure NAFTA passed quite some time ago.

 

Yah. Too many acronyms in my head. And more crowding in every day! Sometimes I have to stand very still for a few seconds to remember what they mean!

 

Thanks for the correction.

 

Just for fun here are some oldies and goodies from the present and past. SOPA, PIPA, TPP, COICA, KORUS, CETA, DMCA, ACTA, PIRATE, PRO-IP..... the list goes on and on. (CETA is the one to watch right now)

 

https://www.eff.org/...replicates-acta

 

Honestly, its like trying to fight a swarm of bees with a baseball bat.

The EU is ahead of the USA here. the Court of Justice of the European Union ruled that a sale of a digital copy of software exhausted the copyright owner's exclusive distribution rights to the copy under Europe's first sale doctrine. As a result, anyone who acquires a digital copy of software, whether by a perpetual license or title purchase and whether by disk or download, may now sell the copy to another without violating European copyright law.

The EU is ahead of the USA here. the Court of Justice of the European Union ruled that a sale of a digital copy of software exhausted the copyright owner's exclusive distribution rights to the copy under Europe's first sale doctrine. As a result, anyone who acquires a digital copy of software, whether by a perpetual license or title purchase and whether by disk or download, may now sell the copy to another without violating European copyright law.

 

It's slightly more complicated though, as the rights of distribution and the rights of reproduction are separate. Distribution through second hand sales is partially resolved (though how to guarantee that the original software is deleted and never used by the seller ever again beats the heck out of me!) but the right to reproduction is still an outstanding issue, since drm of various types tends to lock software to specific devices in such a way that content creators can still exercise significant control, and in fact the software cannot be transferred (assuming a given device even allows the possability) unless the new owners accept the EULA.

 

DRM still can't be (legally) circumvented, and there is evidence that copyright holders in the digital medium can avoid the whole issue simply by labeling the original transaction as a lease rather than a sale. Since there would not even be an initial "first sale" under those circumstances, there can be no valid transfer of ownership.

 

Loopholes.