The interesting thing about the shots was that to my taste the UK2K VFR airfields seemed to blend in pretty well ......which cheers me up because I just bought the lot :good: . I think Tom has hit the nail on the head. What looks great "when you know no better" may not work as well in the UK which has far more significant landmarks per 10sq miles than the Rockies or Oz.

 

The other factors are what you enjoy flying most. From the Tube Jockeys screenshots the photreal stuff looks great in airliner screen grabs but low and slow it looks flat and unbelievable to me. The question is will landclass 3D be good enough in areas of specific geographical/navigational interest?

 

What will really show this sceneries strengths or weakness is the amazing variety of our coastal environments. Low n Slow and Egg Beater pilots will really notice it if they don't get that right.

 

It's worth bearing in mind that FTX have updated and patched some of their existing titles so once a few hundred folk have had a chance to check their local turf maybe a constructive list of improvements can be suggested?

 

It has to be 1000% better than FSX default though because the UK doesn't have any deserts and sheppy doesn't have a city on it ....yet ....until Boris gtes his way? :lol:

 

Geoff

UK2000 have no obligation to alter their product to blend in with a competitors product.

But even without any modifications UK2000 are going to sell a lot of airports on the back of this scenery given that they have just about every airport and small airfield available already.

The UK2000 EGHF in the last shot does not look too bad as it is.

 

Definitely no obligation! But I only ment that if someone should or could make it blend in better, then it's UK2000. Not ORBX.

 

Concerning the default blend in, I didn't see that. You are right - bad blend in. Though they are simply not making default airports for UK, or am I mistaken?

 

Nevertheless, I think it's going to be a good overall package. I hope the price isn't too high, as it might keep me from buying.

I think what needs to be remembered is that FTX scenery has been designed primarily for GA flying. I can't think of any other sceneries that offer high detail AG and ground textures that allow you to fly at about 500-1000ft without looking at a flat, blurry landscape. I would highly recommend those who have not experienced flying with Orbx scenery to maybe download one of their demos from the Fullterrain site and check it out for themselves. I agree with Tom about flying in areas that you know well and are familiar with the topography, but I guess we will just have to wait and see. I suspect that we won't have to wait more than about another couple of weeks :smile: BTW, I wish I could get the kind of satisfaction that some of the guys here have found with the VFR photosceneries, but sadly I have been bitterly disappointed with both the Just flight and Horizon versions, even after installing treescapes.

Fully agree Howard! I have the PNW and flying there quite often, but mainly low and slow. As I'm not a GA flyer, I do it rarely, but nevertheless it is a blast. I will definitely buy it solely for departures/arrivals to EGLL and EGKK, and flights to EGCC and around England, even if not low!

I will definitely buy it solely for departures/arrivals to EGLL and EGKK, and flights to EGCC and around England

 

Me too, I'm not bothered if streets aren't in the right place etc. Also, as someone said earlier. They seem to update their scenery fairly often. Maybe people should make themselves use a vanilla FSX for a month and then see how they feel about it...

I'd be interested to see how FSX performs in the London area as its a massive FPS killers just with default scenery.

Hello

Can you see your street or house ?

 

Hello

I guess if that were of importance to me, I could look on Google Earth. Having said that, FTX is very accurate as far as placement/size of towns. But if you are looking for your house, on your street with the car in the driveway, you might need to stick with photo stuff.

 

 

Regarding the airport textures, here is a quote from the guy responsible for those in FTX:

 

"All airports are done using a GE background in the revising process hence the airport background grass shows the "real life" airport outline (plus provides airports that are highly accurate, you PR only guys take note). The land class terrain is put on by a separate team and overall are not concerned where the airports are. I then go back over the airports and clean up any glaring LC differences to try to make them look as much as possible like they actually belong there. If you find background grass that kind of "sticks out" rest assured that it is accurate all the same.

 

Cheers, Neil (the ENG airport guy)"

Hello

Not that impressed to be honest

 

You're kiddin me... :smile:

 

Looks great, looking forward to this one :rolleyes:

 

martin

I think the pic shows perfectly the quality and resolution that you get when flying so low. I mean that's no more than about 800' agl I guess...

You're kiddin me... :smile:

 

 

Hi Howard did you notice that in the screenshots showing urban/suburban areas the ground textures themselves seem to be lower-res than the field textures? It disgusts me but I guess it's still loads better than my UTX/GEX combo. Have a look at this one for example:

 

http://fullterrain.com/images/ss/eueng/26.jpg

 

Do they seem slightly blurred to you? Also not sure why so many trees are missing...FTX products are usually very tree-happy.

You're kiddin me..

 

Hello Howard,

No I am not kidding, in that screen shot I see a road that leads nowhere in one direction and straight over a cliff in the other.

Where is this shot supposed to represent and what does it look like in the real world ?

It depends really on whether you want a make believe UK or an accurate one, for myself I will go for the accurate one even if it does not look as nice.

As an artists impression of a typical UK field layout it looks quite good, but for someone who wants accurate VFR flying it could be lacking.

Ummmmmmm, is it out yet?

I think it looks good, but I am worried that it won't be compatible with Ultimate Terrain Europe and Ground Environment Europe. I don't want to have to disable FTX England just to fly across the channel.

Hi Howard did you notice that in the screenshots showing urban/suburban areas the ground textures themselves seem to be lower-res than the field textures? It disgusts me but I guess it's still loads better than my UTX/GEX combo. Have a look at this one for example:

 

Do they seem slightly blurred to you? Also not sure why so many trees are missing...FTX products are usually very tree-happy.

 

Hey kannwar, I don't think you should read too much into the pics. The resolution I'm sure will be as good as their previous New Zealand sceneries.

Hello Howard,

No I am not kidding, in that screen shot I see a road that leads nowhere in one direction and straight over a cliff in the other.

Where is this shot supposed to represent and what does it look like in the real world ?

It depends really on whether you want a make believe UK or an accurate one, for myself I will go for the accurate one even if it does not look as nice.

As an artists impression of a typical UK field layout it looks quite good, but for someone who wants accurate VFR flying it could be lacking.

Well, my friend, I guess it depends on what you want while GA flying. For me, I want to be able to look out of the window and see a 3D world from 500ft and not a flat blurry mess. And yes, you can more than easily fly VFR with only ground navigation and landmarks. Yes, there are roads that cross urban areas and roads that come to a halt in the middle of nowhere, but the actual main areas of interest are perfectly recreated. An example would be river beds, they are extremely well detailed. If you look at Google earth and compare it with an area of Orbx scenery I think you'll be very surprised.

 

I think it looks good, but I am worried that it won't be compatible with Ultimate Terrain Europe and Ground Environment Europe. I don't want to have to disable FTX England just to fly across the channel.

That won't be an issue as I understand things...