Aha, sure.... into a hit of knuckles, elbows, head-bucks, punches, nose hit, kicks, and all type of "virtual fights." We all seem to like this a/c versus that a/c; this developer vs that developer. We all seem to know what we're talking about, and at the end of the discussions it's very likely we only know what we think we know. I myself have met myself in heated discussions with my fellow airmen, who also think they know what they're talking about, just to realize (if you're honest to yourself) we're both clueless. Now, as I write this I can't help but to chuckle into reflecting on how passionate and/or erroneous our ideas could be, unless you're a real Airbus or Boeing pilot, or engineer. So, I think it's best if we enjoy these add-ons, and yes we know the difference between poor and quality, but, let's stop this hitting each other behavior- it is not helping anyone! Take you a/c...go fly and enjoy yourself ! This is the true meaning our beloved hobby. :good:

I can't help but to chuckle into reflecting on how passionate and/or erroneous our ideas could be, unless you're a real Airbus or Boeing pilot, or engineer.

However, we amateurs do have access to real-world training materials and widely accepted realism benchmark add-ons (e.g., PMDG and RealAir aircraft), from which we can approximate how realistic another add-on is.

 

I do agree that, as long as misinformation is minimized and users of different target audiences do not aggressively and inconsiderately advocate "their" products to each other, we should let each other be.

How true. Its funny how not ONE single Airbus A320 pilot is in any of the threads complaining how the AXE is not good enough and that he is waiting for the FSLABS A320. I'm a pilot, but I ain't no airbus pilot. All I go on when it comes to high fidelity aircraft like the AXE, LDS or PMDG is the sense of accomplishment that I get of of the flight from gate to gate.

 

For me the AXE has enough of a systems depth to satisfy me - and I consider myself a "hardcore simmer." HARDCORE does not mean nitpicker mind you. Hardcore to me means that I need products that immerse me in the simulation to the point of suspension of disbelief. If all I did was sit around tearing every product apart to find all the things wrong with each release I would get no enjoyment out of this hobby. As so many do, I'd just sit around waiting for the release of the NEXT product instead of enjoying whats available. That doesn't mean settling for garbage or half baked products ( you know who you are), but how can half the people say that they don't like something that they don't even have? SMH.

 

It occurred to me why so many people got sick of all the whining about systems, levers and buttons and embraced the simplicity of FLIGHT. I am having so much fun with the AXE that its okay if I can't simulate a normal-law failure of the left electrical bus while on a CAT III approach....who cares? Let me say that again...I HAD FUN and continue to do so for less than the price of a decent dinner. I have FUN flying the LDS, I have FUN flying the PMDG, I have fun flying the Wilco ERJv2, and I have fun flying the AXE.

 

Everything doesn't have to be a battle. Its almost like flight simmers are among the most miserable people on the face of the earth. Why not lighten up a little? There was a time where Avsim was so light hearted and there was playful banter and comradeship Now, this place has become a graveyard of insults and wars over absolutely nothing. There was a time when if a moderator had to jump into a conversation to reprimand someone it was big news. Now its just common place.

 

Sign of the times I guess - but I do miss the old Avsim and the people, who left long ago, who made this place what it was.

Mike,

 

I pretty much agree with everything you say, however problems arise when people start to post misleading information about a product. It was great reading your post about the AXE and seeing your enthusiasm I also tested it myself and enjoyed flying around Dubai for a few hours.

 

Aerosoft stated this was not going to be an indepth sim, most of us regulars already knew that, however it is very misleading when some users claim this can be a study sim when it is clearly not even close.

 

A simple fact is standards have been raised regarding system fidelity and logic, many developers are able to pull it off.

 

You mention nitpicking, not sure what aircraft you flew real world, however I'm sure you could easily pick up mistakes easily if you saw it in an FS addon, I'm talking about the PFD, FMA logic on the bus, not complex stuff and pretty hard to ignore if you know how the real thing works.

 

That obviously doesn't mean the AXE is a bad product, just not at the level some claim it is. Anyway, if you do want to know what actual A320 drivers think of the product I can send you a pm, but in all honesty would you even care? Carry on enjoying the product, your post made me want to take her out for a few circuits

 

Regards

How true. Its funny how not ONE single Airbus A320 pilot is in any of the threads complaining how the AXE is not good enough and that he is waiting for the FSLABS A320. I'm a pilot, but I ain't no airbus pilot. All I go on when it comes to high fidelity aircraft like the AXE, LDS or PMDG is the sense of accomplishment that I get of of the flight from gate to gate.

 

For me the AXE has enough of a systems depth to satisfy me - and I consider myself a "hardcore simmer." HARDCORE does not mean nitpicker mind you. Hardcore to me means that I need products that immerse me in the simulation to the point of suspension of disbelief. If all I did was sit around tearing every product apart to find all the things wrong with each release I would get no enjoyment out of this hobby. As so many do, I'd just sit around waiting for the release of the NEXT product instead of enjoying whats available. That doesn't mean settling for garbage or half baked products ( you know who you are), but how can half the people say that they don't like something that they don't even have? SMH.

 

It occurred to me why so many people got sick of all the whining about systems, levers and buttons and embraced the simplicity of FLIGHT. I am having so much fun with the AXE that its okay if I can't simulate a normal-law failure of the left electrical bus while on a CAT III approach....who cares? Let me say that again...I HAD FUN and continue to do so for less than the price of a decent dinner. I have FUN flying the LDS, I have FUN flying the PMDG, I have fun flying the Wilco ERJv2, and I have fun flying the AXE.

 

Everything doesn't have to be a battle. Its almost like flight simmers are among the most miserable people on the face of the earth. Why not lighten up a little? There was a time where Avsim was so light hearted and there was playful banter and comradeship Now, this place has become a graveyard of insults and wars over absolutely nothing. There was a time when if a moderator had to jump into a conversation to reprimand someone it was big news. Now its just common place.

 

Sign of the times I guess - but I do miss the old Avsim and the people, who left long ago, who made this place what it was.

 

Mike nice that is the kind of feeling that will keep future developers trying their best to create an amazing product for us simmers. But if you don't mind me asking , where did the good old people takeoff to who were they ? I only have about a year or so in this community so might not know who they were or are some of them still here?

Its funny how not ONE single Airbus A320 pilot is in any of the threads complaining how the AXE is not good enough and that he is waiting for the FSLABS A320.

 

That might be because a good number of the A320 pilots here are working with us :smile:

That might be because a good number of the A320 pilots here are working with us :smile:

 

Non-Disclosure Agreements must help there ^_^

 

ETA: I didn't mean this in a demeaning way, reading afterwards made me sound abrasive.

All I go on when it comes to high fidelity aircraft like the AXE, LDS or PMDG is the sense of accomplishment that I get of the flight from gate to gate.

 

That is all anyone should need Mike!!

 

Well said

That is all anyone should need Mike!!

 

Well said

 

Indeed :-)

It seems very fashionable to be extremist and combative these days... to be defenders of their truth.

It's all PMDG's fault: they should never have made such a detailed and accurate aircraft like their 737 NGX. Now everyone expects every FSX aircraft to be like that...

 

Henri

A day of yesterday and after reading Mike's comments I thought I would give the EXE another try. I read it was up to version 1.4 and pagers of fix's.

Great lets give it a try again.

I have a flight I love, I have flown the fight over 20 times in the NGX because I love hand flying it up to cruise 12,000 around 40 miles to TOD wait till on the LOC/GS, AP and AT off and hand fly the landing.

The first flight I did with the EXE on version 1, I had to post on there forums the the mess it draw as a STAR and of course could not fly it.

So yesterday with different winds it was a different STAR, the flight plan was fine until I entered the RWY etc and what a mess, but I thought I can see the fault and deleted a WP and all looked fine, no, like before all went pear shaped. I took over the bus and landed it fine but that's not the point. It just fails to do what even at it's level it should do.

Also it thought TOD should be 1 miles after TOC around 40 miles out of what the NGX uses as TOD. Really!

The EXE look great, has great sounds and ATC etc.

If it works for the airport you fly to and from, then great and am happy for all the people that enjoy it, good for you.

Aerosoft class this in a different league to the PMDG NGX and it is. If the EXE worked like it says on the tin then I think I like other would enjoy it for what it is.

 

But stop talking about the EXE being up there with the NGX because it not, not even close. It's very misleading to talk about the EXE in that light. The EXE is still full of bug and should not be spoken about as a bus version of the NGX.

Also don't tell me I need to read up on how to fly it, don't go there Johhny. So a simple flight it gets TOD totaly wrong and cannot draw a STAR to save it life. Am sure most airport they are fixing the bug but for me it's in the bin again.

 

About real Airbus pilots. The ones that do come here cannot post because of NDA and also they were told it was a conflict of interest. So basicly they cannot post unless it's to say how nice it looks.

 

So if you enjoy it great good for you but stop talking about it like it's up there with the NGX it's deluded.

How true. Its funny how not ONE single Airbus A320 pilot is in any of the threads complaining how the AXE is not good enough and that he is waiting for the FSLABS A320. I'm a pilot, but I ain't no airbus pilot. All I go on when it comes to high fidelity aircraft like the AXE, LDS or PMDG is the sense of accomplishment that I get of of the flight from gate to gate.

 

For me the AXE has enough of a systems depth to satisfy me - and I consider myself a "hardcore simmer." HARDCORE does not mean nitpicker mind you. Hardcore to me means that I need products that immerse me in the simulation to the point of suspension of disbelief. If all I did was sit around tearing every product apart to find all the things wrong with each release I would get no enjoyment out of this hobby. As so many do, I'd just sit around waiting for the release of the NEXT product instead of enjoying whats available. That doesn't mean settling for garbage or half baked products ( you know who you are), but how can half the people say that they don't like something that they don't even have? SMH.

 

It occurred to me why so many people got sick of all the whining about systems, levers and buttons and embraced the simplicity of FLIGHT. I am having so much fun with the AXE that its okay if I can't simulate a normal-law failure of the left electrical bus while on a CAT III approach....who cares? Let me say that again...I HAD FUN and continue to do so for less than the price of a decent dinner. I have FUN flying the LDS, I have FUN flying the PMDG, I have fun flying the Wilco ERJv2, and I have fun flying the AXE.

 

Everything doesn't have to be a battle. Its almost like flight simmers are among the most miserable people on the face of the earth. Why not lighten up a little? There was a time where Avsim was so light hearted and there was playful banter and comradeship Now, this place has become a graveyard of insults and wars over absolutely nothing. There was a time when if a moderator had to jump into a conversation to reprimand someone it was big news. Now its just common place.

 

Sign of the times I guess - but I do miss the old Avsim and the people, who left long ago, who made this place what it was.

 

As the man said above.

That might be because a good number of the A320 pilots here are working with us :smile:

 

And that is good... I hope they're working o the A-330 and A-340, as well. A-320 is pretty; but the big brothers are certainly much, much more awesome-er !

A day of yesterday and after reading Mike's comments I thought I would give the EXE another try. I read it was up to version 1.4 and pagers of fix's.

Great lets give it a try again.

I have a flight I love, I have flown the fight over 20 times in the NGX because I love hand flying it up to cruise 12,000 around 40 miles to TOD wait till on the LOC/GS, AP and AT off and hand fly the landing.

The first flight I did with the EXE on version 1, I had to post on there forums the the mess it draw as a STAR and of course could not fly it.

So yesterday with different winds it was a different STAR, the flight plan was fine until I entered the RWY etc and what a mess, but I thought I can see the fault and deleted a WP and all looked fine, no, like before all went pear shaped. I took over the bus and landed it fine but that's not the point. It just fails to do what even at it's level it should do.

Also it thought TOD should be 1 miles after TOC around 40 miles out of what the NGX uses as TOD. Really!

The EXE look great, has great sounds and ATC etc.

If it works for the airport you fly to and from, then great and am happy for all the people that enjoy it, good for you.

Aerosoft class this in a different league to the PMDG NGX and it is. If the EXE worked like it says on the tin then I think I like other would enjoy it for what it is.

 

But stop talking about the EXE being up there with the NGX because it not, not even close. It's very misleading to talk about the EXE in that light. The EXE is still full of bug and should not be spoken about as a bus version of the NGX.

Also don't tell me I need to read up on how to fly it, don't go there Johhny. So a simple flight it gets TOD totaly wrong and cannot draw a STAR to save it life. Am sure most airport they are fixing the bug but for me it's in the bin again.

 

About real Airbus pilots. The ones that do come here cannot post because of NDA and also they were told it was a conflict of interest. So basicly they cannot post unless it's to say how nice it looks.

 

So if you enjoy it great good for you but stop talking about it like it's up there with the NGX it's deluded.

 

:LMAO: Here's my good old friend, David! Come on..We're all saying how much we love our add-ons and we should stop the "virtual fight", and you came along and do the contrary? You better stop; don't make me pull out my sword again. jejeje.

 

Well, we all know what you think about the AXE, David, and we can't help that. However, as Mike and the rest of the gang says...Let's enjoy our products to the best extent possible. We have high-end add-ons that we all enjoy such as the AXE and other add-ons which might not be so advanced, but what's important is that we enjoy what we have! :Peace: