Wow

Cant't believe this thread is still going and getting more heated by the post

Bottom line folks it is highly unlikely that you are going to get on the flight deck of an in flight passenger aircraft any longer

If you have any of the pmdg or fslabs aircraft then you are'nt going to see a lot of difference with the real thing (apart from the real thing being dirtier ( sorry Ró)

As far as wether it should be allowed, I think its up to the crew . 

As for another 9/11 unlikely.

If it was going to happen it would most likely been a suicidal flight crew or engineering that could bring one down, who don't need to blow things up to make it crash

Cant't believe this thread is still going and getting more heated by the post

 

You are going to get different views on this from different people depending on where in the world they are from. I live in a country that majority of the domestic routes you don't even have to go through a metal detector when you jump on the airplane. We only have 3 routes that have metal detectors on domestic routes. The Civil Aviation Authority of NZ talked about buying more, but decided it wasn't worth it.

 

As for cockpit doors, I've been on domestic flights here and seen the door left open inflight. I wouldn't ask to go up and say hi though.

 

Also on a side note. The Prime Minister of New Zealand fly's regularly on Air New Zealand sitting in row 2 seats D, E and F with two of his assistants. No extra security because he is on board. He travels just like anyone else in this country.

 

Police in New Zealand don't even carry guns, our government building are protected by closed circuit television. this is the sort of place I live in. Strange visiting countries with increased security and I wouldn't want to live like that.

Same sort of set up in Ireland, we don't expect people to be running around with guns and bombs and what not trying to kill each other, that's just not done (for the most part).

 

Quite the contrast when you look at other places and they have metal detectors for going into schools, yet here at airports you just smile at the guard on duty and they'll walk you through no hassle, no grief, no interrogation about what your intentions for the water bottle in your bag are... :rolleyes: Life is too short to be worrying about what if this and that. Having people visit a flight deck is not inherently dangerous, it's a visit.

 

Regards,

Ró.

Visiting a flight deck isn't inherently dangerous? Of course it bloody is. That's why 911 happened. They got on the flight deck.

 

That terrible event taught the world that sadly the flight crew were vulnerable.

 

It shouldn't be up to the captain to decide. He can't assess the mental state or secret agenda of a complete stranger who just fancies a look see.

 

Learn the lesson that was so expensively taught.

 

 

Learn the lesson that was so expensively taught.

 

Some seem to find that hard to learn.

 

 

You are going to get different views on this from different people depending on where in the world they are from.

 

Where and when.  It's amazing how things change in various parts of the world.  Years ago, on my first trip from the US to Europe I was stunned to see guards with fully automatic weapons at port arms in many of the major European airports.  On that trip, at my first layover point (Zurich), I was taken into a room and hand searched before boarding to continue on to Germany - again a rather stunning and disturbing event for me, though it was apparently a simple routine random event. 

 

At that time US airport security was pretty minimal, but then... at that time the US had not had any major terrorist events, and many European countries had.

 

Scott

Sorry after your first post I can't take you seriously.... Anyway I am talking about flight deck visits after landing.

 

I guess you didn't see my post before the comment you quoted clarifying my position.  Before and after a flight is fine but while a plane is flying at 37,000ft in cruise it's inappropriate for passengers to be in the cockpit, period... 

Where and when.  It's amazing how things change in various parts of the world.  Years ago, on my first trip from the US to Europe I was stunned to see guards with fully automatic weapons at port arms in many of the major European airports.  On that trip, at my first layover point (Zurich), I was taken into a room and hand searched before boarding to continue on to Germany - again a rather stunning and disturbing event for me, though it was apparently a simple routine random event. 

 

At that time US airport security was pretty minimal, but then... at that time the US had not had any major terrorist events, and many European countries had.

 

Scott

 

 

This is very true Scott. I used to live in Reseda, California as a child and KLAX was a very different airport then it is today. It used to be that the USA was a place of innocence and we read about European Terrorism in Time Magazine.

 

Today the USA is backing off on levels of security as I have noticed the TSA are loosening rules to be more at par with regulations around the world. I agree with these steps as KLAX has lost passengers due to strict rules. Many passengers in the Pacific regions and Asia prefer to fly to Europe over the Middle East now, before 911 the preference was through KLAX.

 

Airports like Hong Kong and Changi Airports are now considered the best airports in the world, they are now the gateways to Europe. Another example of that is the recent agreement with QANTAS and Emirates. They will keep Australians and New Zealand flying the other way for years to come.

 

Air New Zealand is the one airline that remains loyal to the KLAX route and it is the quickest way to London from this part of the world. It is up to the passengers if they want to deal with the TSA in KLAX, or just go the other way. Many choose to go the other way now. KLAX has to offer a better passenger experience if it wants to compete again.

 

I am a big fan of Los Angeles so would like to see this become a gateway once again....

 

Cheers

It shouldn't be up to the captain to decide. He can't assess the mental state or secret agenda of a complete stranger who just fancies a look see.

 

 

While I do see your point, there is a certain problem, which Ronan is trying to get through here. If you always have that attitude, you might as well lock EVERYONE out given what happened on board FedEx 705. That very near crash goes to proove that you cant trust ANYONE.. And if you go by that attitude its gonna be difficult everywhere..

 

There where loads of intelligence pre-9/11 that FAILED. Those terrorists did not just stroll into the cockpit after they politely asked the F/a`s about a visit. They had a violent agenda. If you dont have any weapons beside your own two fists, then taking out a 737 in FL350 is going to be very very difficult.

Excuse ma'am, I am the CEO of the virtual edition of this airline and as such, I demand to see the cockpit. At least let me ride in First Class.

 

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Hey folks my .02. I fly for Southwest. When we are on the ground, we are more than happy to have visitors. Just ask.

 

In flight, big no no. You may from time to time see a non uniformed person on the jumpseat. I can assure that individual has had credentials checked. Faa inspector etc.

 

So, if you are on a WN flight, time permitting...jsut ask were more than happy to accomadate.

 

Little curtousy<sp>, if you see us reading a checklist or looking at the FMC, charts etc...just hold on a sec, and we'll acknowledge your prescence.<sp>

 

Come say hello, as a a fellow simmer; I enjoy talking flight sims with folks. Hence why I'm flying up to Whitchita to Fancon. Hope to meet some of you there.

 

Best,

David

 

As has been mentioned several times on this thread ,the title of the thread is "may I visit the pilots in the flight deck"

The answer would be yes if its on the ground and your polite with your request if the time constraints and technical issues are against you then may be refused but I've only ever met a few crew that have refused,generally crews are more than happy to oblige.

To the people that think they should be allowed to visit the flight deck and are refused think on your own work.How would you like it a constant stream of people were to continue to visit your place of work and interrupt what you may be doing.

And to the people that think that think that by not allowing people upfront while in the air, will stop access to the flightdeck or the fact that it now has a reinforced FD door you are mistaken there is still a vulnability there that can be over come to take a crew out on certain types of civillian airliners

mazelda, on 10 Apr 2013 - 04:39 AM, said:

And to the people that think that think that by not allowing people upfront while in the air, will stop access to the flightdeck or the fact that it now has a reinforced FD door you are mistaken there is still a vulnability there that can be over come to take a crew out on certain types of civillian airliners

 

Not when you have a plane full of passengers with a vested interest in staying alive. The effort it would take to get around the flight deck door in flight would surely be thwarted by everyone else on the plane. In the immortal words of Flight 93, 'Let's Roll'...

CEO of the same airline that we were flying but in a virtual world and she was looking very strange at me

:lol:  :LMAO:

 

 

Not when you have a plane full of passengers with a vested interest in staying alive. The effort it would take to get around the flight deck door in flight would surely be thwarted by everyone else on the plane. In the immortal words of Flight 93, 'Let's Roll'...

I agree with what your saying, but without coming out with the where, which I am not about to say on an internet forum you ( the passenger) would possibly never know until it was to late.

I I should add that i'm a licenced aircraft engineer of 35 years experience.