April 21, 201313 yr Moderator Hi there, I'm mostly a heavy iron and really small GA flyer, although IRL I'm a low time PPL. Lucky me I have not experienced any of the problems others experienced, and I do feel particularly bad for those who purchased but can't activate. Hang in there, this bird is worth the wait!! Yesterday, for the first time in my 15+ years simming, I've experienced my aircraft flying croocket, it looked and felt like it was flying left wing low (or right wing high) during cruise. Winds weren't too stron, I was on autopilot with YD engaged. Then I found out during some research that this bird requires aileron/and or rudder trim while operating on AP, is that true? I know IRL some turboprops require that but I don't think I've ever seen it modeled in fsx, but I could be wrong. If anyone has more info (I have not read through the whole documentation yet) I'd appreciate it. This bird will bring thousands of hours of joy, can't wait to fire it up again. Cheers, Pete I9-13900K, RTX 4090, DR5-6000MHZ, CORSAIR ICUE H150I ELITE, ASUS PRIME Z790-P, THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER GF3 1350W, WIN 11
April 21, 201313 yr This fascinates me too Pete. To be honest, I wasn't aware that some turboprops require trimming despite the fact that the AP is engaged. Seems weird in regard to a modern aircraft and modern autopilot.
April 24, 201313 yr I noticed that too, I gather that the (real world) ATR is similar. A friend who flies them said each one in his fleet has subtle differences in how it flies. Once in the cruise, each aircraft needs to be trimmed slightly (and uniquely!) in roll and pitch axes to center the ball and keep it all level. Frankly I like it. It adds to the general sense of immersion. Mark Adeane - NZWN
April 24, 201313 yr Yes, this trimming requirement is really nice. My question is about plane tilting during taxi. During taxi even i make sharp turn, plane is rock solid and do not tilt even a bit, is it realistic ? Artur
April 24, 201313 yr Commercial Member Yes, this trimming requirement is really nice. My question is about plane tilting during taxi. During taxi even i make sharp turn, plane is rock solid and do not tilt even a bit, is it realistic ? Unlike the ATR that has a close wheel base and tends to sway if turns are made too sharply, the Dash 8's main gear sits under the engine nacelles which allows for better ground handling. Hi there, I'm mostly a heavy iron and really small GA flyer, although IRL I'm a low time PPL. Lucky me I have not experienced any of the problems others experienced, and I do feel particularly bad for those who purchased but can't activate. Hang in there, this bird is worth the wait!! Yesterday, for the first time in my 15+ years simming, I've experienced my aircraft flying croocket, it looked and felt like it was flying left wing low (or right wing high) during cruise. Winds weren't too stron, I was on autopilot with YD engaged. Then I found out during some research that this bird requires aileron/and or rudder trim while operating on AP, is that true? I know IRL some turboprops require that but I don't think I've ever seen it modeled in fsx, but I could be wrong. If anyone has more info (I have not read through the whole documentation yet) I'd appreciate it. This bird will bring thousands of hours of joy, can't wait to fire it up again. Cheers, Pete A minor annoyance when flying the Q400 is that the Yaw Damper has only limited governance over the rudder, which means that the rudder has to be trimmed manually on every change in aircraft pitch or engine power setting. So one will find that minor corrections need to be made through different phases of flight. KROSWYND a.k.a KILO_WHISKEYMajestic Software Development/Support Sys 1: AMD 7950X3D, NOCTUA D15S, Gigabyte Elite B650, MSI 4090, 64Gb Ram, Corsair 850 Power Supply, 2x2TB M.2 Samsung 980s, 1x4TB WDD M.2, 6xNoctua 120mm case fans, LG C2 55" OLED running at 120Hz for the monitor, Win11. Sys 2: i7 8700k, MSI GAMING MBoard, 32Gigs RAM, MSI 4070Ti & EVGA 1080Ti. Hardware: Brunner CLS-E-NG Yoke, Fulcrum One yoke, TM TPR Rudder Pedals, Yoko TQ6+ NEO, StreamDeck, Tobii Eye Tracker, Virpil VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base with a TM gripSIMULATORS: MSFS2020/XP12/P3D v5.4 & v6: YouTube Videos
April 24, 201313 yr How I can know when apply trim? A good tutorial is needed! I love PMDG for the quality of their products but too for the quality of their documentation manuals and tutorials... José Fco. Ibáñez /// i7 6700k (Delid) @ 4,6 Ghz /// Asrock Z170 OC Formula /// 16GB RAM G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 /// GTX 1070 Founders Edition 8GB /// LG 27UD58 4K 27' // OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (X-Plane 10) & SAMSUNG 850 EVO SSD (P3D V3) /// Windows 10 Pro x64
April 24, 201313 yr How I can know when apply trim? A good tutorial is needed! I love PMDG for the quality of their products but too for the quality of their documentation manuals and tutorials... You need to apply trim on take off, and adjust through different modes of flight. It's not something that can be documented easily, it's something you need to tweak/adjust as you go. Cheers,John TavendaleTextures by Tavers - https://www.facebook.com/texturesbytavers
April 24, 201313 yr Commercial Member I figured this out myself tonight; while at cruise I had noticed my plane not flying level as well, and was about to come here to check to see if there were any posts about it, when I recalled reading somewhere (in the tutorial flight perhaps?) about trimming the aircraft and applied a bit of rudder trim which leveled it out nicely. Neat stuff. Jim Stewart Milviz Person.
April 24, 201313 yr How I can know when apply trim? A good tutorial is needed! I love PMDG for the quality of their products but too for the quality of their documentation manuals and tutorials... You need to apply trim on take off, and adjust through different modes of flight. It's not something that can be documented easily, it's something you need to tweak/adjust as you go. Yes but I look for rudder trim... José Fco. Ibáñez /// i7 6700k (Delid) @ 4,6 Ghz /// Asrock Z170 OC Formula /// 16GB RAM G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 /// GTX 1070 Founders Edition 8GB /// LG 27UD58 4K 27' // OCZ Vertex 4 SSD (X-Plane 10) & SAMSUNG 850 EVO SSD (P3D V3) /// Windows 10 Pro x64
April 24, 201313 yr They don't have counteracting props so when you add or reduce power the aircraft will yaw left or right. It yaws but there will be no rolling tendency..
April 25, 201313 yr Author Moderator Unlike the ATR that has a close wheel base and tends to sway if turns are made too sharply, the Dash 8's main gear sits under the engine nacelles which allows for better ground handling. A minor annoyance when flying the Q400 is that the Yaw Damper has only limited governance over the rudder, which means that the rudder has to be trimmed manually on every change in aircraft pitch or engine power setting. So one will find that minor corrections need to be made through different phases of flight. That's exactly why I love this "annoyance", just adds wonderfully to your Q400's realism - what a superior product!!! Cheers, Pete I9-13900K, RTX 4090, DR5-6000MHZ, CORSAIR ICUE H150I ELITE, ASUS PRIME Z790-P, THERMALTAKE TOUGHPOWER GF3 1350W, WIN 11
April 25, 201313 yr Just monitor the PFD and look for the "ball" on top of the triangle pointer - keep it centered. Bert
April 25, 201313 yr Above the ADI on the PFD is a slip / turn coordinator. Just use this to apply trim as required. Glenn Ryzen 3700X, X570 Pro Wifi, 32GB 3600mhz RAM, Nvidia Titan Xp "Galactic Empire", RM750x PSU, H700 case, 2x NVMe M2 SSD, 1x SATA SSD
April 25, 201313 yr Just monitor the PFD and look for the "ball" on top of the triangle pointer - keep it centered. Precisely, and that works like a charm. I have rudder trim mapped (via FSUIPC) to one of my hat swithes on my CH yoke, and trimming rudder has become easy. Wayne KlocknerUnited Virtual
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