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Morning/evening gents,

 

I'm looking for a decent GA light twin to get my teeth stuck into but there's quite a few on the market so wonder if anyone has any recommendations or comments.

 

I think my only preference is that I'm happy with regular flight instruments or small sized PFD's alongside small navigation/weather MFD units. Basically anything except large PFD/MFD's such as the G1000 etc.

 

Models i've been looking at are:

 

MilViz C310R (Read somewhere it uses some default FSX flight gauges)

Carenado C340 II HD Series

Carenado B200/C90B King Air HD Series

RealAir Turbine/Piston Duke (Aware of the potential RealityXP gauges cost increase)

Flight1 BN2 Islander (I understand this is a cracking plane to own but i'm a bit dubious about the Bendix King GPS unit)

 

I have a medium computer system that can run a Cessna Mustang with all its MFD's though it can go a bit choppy so I would assume all the above will be easier on FPS.

 

Opinions and/or additional recommendations welcomed.

 

Cheers,

 

ceem

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I'm not a fan of Carenado although many are, and while I can't argue with the firms success I cannot recommend anything they sell.

 

The Duke (all versions) is absolutely top notch in my book and you should look at buying the RXP GNS550  as well.  You can install the GNS unit in any airplane you choose so it becomes more cost effective.

 

I own and fly the Islander a lot.  It is my fave for getting into small primitive Forest Service airports in the wilderness--I am addicted to Orbx PNW scenery.  You can install the RXP GNS unit in the 2-D view (no 2-D panel included) and run it on a second monitor instead of the odd old GPS.  But be aware, the Islander is painfully slow.  But again, a real favorite of those willing to accept it on its terms.

 

One twin you might have overlooked is the Eaglesoft Piper Twin Comanche.  Old technology so its graphics, instruments etc are not as sharp as the latest toys but an alternative I enjoy flying.

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Milviz Baron and the Islander. Not sure I'd call a King Air a light twin. ;-). The Baron is smaller than what you're looking at, but it has such a great feel to it. The Islander GPS is perfectly functional and the tutorial is a big help with using it, and it's a bit different to all the usual magenta line producing units that you get in the others, which I think is a bonus.

 

Good luck making your call.

 

Mike

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Not your usual Twin, but the Carenado C337 is simply great, it flies very nice - rather fast, actually -  and the FDE are convincing (I guess they're by Bernt Stolle)! And having the props in a row rather then on both sides of the cockpit has the advantage that in case of an engine failure it flies quite similar to a single engine prop.

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The MV C310 doesn't use anything that's default.  Not sure where you heard that but it's false.

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Carenado 337

Cessna 310

Turbine Duke

Piper Cheyenne

PMDG JS4100

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If you're looking for a standard twin then the Dukes.  Top notch.  If you want some character then the 337.  Both excellent.  I love the FDE in the B200 but they left a lot out.

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Add my endorsements for the Milviz B55 Baron and C310R.  After upgrading from FS2004 to FSX a few months ago and discovering Milviz, I now wouldn't buy any other GA aircraft - nothing else compares in terms olf system functionality and graphics fidelity, both exterior and cockpit.  (Carenados look great from the outside, but internal graphics and functionality do not match the quality of the exterior.)   Unfortunately Milviz does not have a large selection of GA aircraft except the two mentioned and a civilian P-51..  Hopefully they will develop more to satisfy the market demand for such products.

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Add my endorsements for the Milviz B55 Baron and C310R.

 

How is the C310R for frame rates.smoothness compared to the MilViz Baron?

 

I'm looking for a similar recommendation, but with a view to performance also, as some of my light twins (Duke, B55) don't play too well with Orbx/UTX on my creaky system.

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We didn't do the P-51 civilian...  we did do a P-38 Redbull though... and it's fast and a twin.  And has GPS... And RXP capabilities...

 

We also do intend to do more civilian GA soon...

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MilViz C310R (Read somewhere it uses some default FSX flight gauges)

 

You may have looked at a screenie of a specially included version of the C310R called the "Free Radio Version" that has none 3D avionics, so that you can replace them in your VC panel if you wish (with RXP etc)....

 

.....but that's not the main set up for the MilViz C310R.

 

It's a beauty!

 

c310r7.jpg

 

 

..... easily the best GA Twin in FS at the moment in my opinion.

 

Flick on the batteries and listen to the fan sounds ..... you immediately know you're in a quality add-on. Oh, and the fact that it flies like a dream is pretty handy too. :wink:

 

Conversely, as much as I adore the MilVix C310R, I just didn't get the same nice feelings from their B55, which felt a little sterile to me.

 

C310R is the one to get.

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I have to agree on the MilViz C310, it is an awesome GA aircraft.

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I agree about the C310. Comes in 3 versions:

 

FreeRadio - Custom gauges + default radio stack - for improved FPS, or to easily be able to easily replace with custom radios that are designed to directly replace default ones

 

3D Analog: Custom gauges+custom 3D radios+3D skin for the default GPS (how most addons do it, including e.g. the RealAir Duke).

 

G1000 - Uses default G1000 glass panel (apparently some real-life 310's have been converted to glass..I don't like it)

 

You can easily switch between variants by editing a single line in the aircraft.cfg.

 

Flight dynamics are *extremely* smooth and pleasant, sounds are amazing, VC and external model are the same quality as e.g. Carenado.

 

Others to consider are the RealAir Duke (I think the Turbine version is more fun because of the climb rate, take off distance, cruise speed etc.). The Carenado C337 is another must-have. Unlike their other twins, the flight dynamics are made by Bernt Stolle so it's not glitchy and overly sensitive like some of their other planes. I don't recommend any complex Carenado planes with airfiles from before Mr. Stolle joined the team.

 

Also, not a twin, but I feel it fits with your description as far as the type of cockpit, instruments etc., and offers twin-like performance (~220-230 kts up to 27,000 feet, pressurization) - the Carenado PA46T Jetprop.

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I have the piston Duke, and really like it.

If I had to buy another one on that class I believe I woud buy my first MilViz, and it could be the C310R or the B55.

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Whilst my main vote definitely stays with the MilViz C310R, for the best twin in FSX, another excellent twin with very convincing flight dyanamics, is the old Eaglesoft Twin Commanche.

tcegash2.jpg

 

..........It was released, I think around 2006/7, so obviously doesn't quite have the best visuals and textures, but it's a blast to fly. I done a properly planned, real-time, Atlantic crossing in it, when it was released, and it was a blast.

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Afternoon gents,

 

Thanks for all feedback and opinions.

 

I whittled down my choices to the Milviz 310 and the Carenado 337 & 340. I actually preferred the look inside and out of the Carenados (as a non real world flier and simply based on personal idiocyncracies!) but with the feedback here started swinging towards the MilViz. I don't think i'd really be disappointed with any of the products mentioned in this thread tbh.

 

However, something kept niggling in the back of my mind.

 

For years i've always been interested in the Flight1 FSX Pilatus PC-12 and whilst it isn't a twin (but has a rather powerful single) I really like the look of the cockpit.

 

Given that it's quite older compared to a lot of the newer HD stuff I wonder if anyone has it, or how it stacks up so many years after release.

 

I read the 2008 review on avsim (http://www.avsim.com/pages/0308/Pilatus/PC12.htm) and it confirms my suspicions that I would probably love it.

 

The only two things that make me hold back are whether it would work with Windows 7 x64 and the airspeed indicator being too dark to view when flying at night which would definetely annoy!

 

So, any Flight1 FSX Pilatus PC-12 owners want to share opinions on it?

 

Cheers

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While I don't personally own the PC-12 a member of our VA does, and yes it is a little dated in some of it's functions and visuals but works perfectly well on W-7 64 bit computers.  I cannot speak to the airspeed indicator.  It seems, from what my member says, to be about as useful as the real deal.

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A bargain twin to pick up--JustFlight's Duchess. I'd pick it up in addition to many of the excellent twins mentioned here. I just posted some screenshots of it the other day here:

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/407164-duchess-over-northern-montana/

I also posted a few small comments on the Duchess further down in that thread. The Duke and 337, which I also have, are both good choices. The Duke is great for getting somewhere in a hurry, and the 337 is great for its visibility from the cockpit, as well as the inline thrust.

Regards,

John

 

Edit:  I should add that the Duke is a better value vs. the 340, if you had to decide between the two.  Its interior and exterior visuals are just as good as the 340, and it has RealAir's flight dynamics.

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The Duke (all versions) is absolutely top notch in my book

 

This.  The RealAir Dukes are incredible, especially their VCs.  In fact, anything from RealAir will knock your socks off.

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There is really only one that is out there so far ...the Mt Everest of GA twins. ...every thing else is a distant second.

 

RealAir Turbine/Piston Duke. PERIOD! Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise!

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Milviz Baron

X2. It's been almost 40 years since I flew a U.S. Army T-42 (military version of the Baron) and the Milviz B55 makes takes me back like no other FSX model. Back in those days I drove a 1965 MGB British sports car and currently have a 1969 MGB in my garage and drive it regularly. A familiar haunt.  I only wish I was in position to also own and operate a Baron in real life. The Milviz Baron just has that real familiar haunt and feel to it.

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