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Bought it yesterday because I like bizjets... wanted to see what it was all about.

 

In short I am disappointed, my recommendations... save your money...

 

The only thing going for this jet is the outside visual model. Its nice.

 

Cockpit is subpar, instruments especially the EFIS are mostly unreadable at all but max zoom. 

 

I replaced them with ISG EFIS and FMC, but the set up don't fit quite right because of the way the cockpit is modeled. Its workable, but just barely.

 

Fortunately it was only $29.00 and who knows, maybe I'll be able to tweek the ISG setup to fit better. 

 

Had hopes for this little jet...  :(

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been pondering over the xtreme prototypes lear 20 series myself...but TBH it just seems so cheesy looking and sounding on the interior that I can't be bothered.

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been pondering over the xtreme prototypes lear 20 series myself...but TBH it just seems so cheesy looking and sounding on the interior that I can't be bothered.

 

I own both the XP Lear 20, and the Just Flight X800, and whilst the XP Lear is an early 2009 add-on, it is leagues ahead of the JF X800 in my honest opinion.

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I got shot down in flames on here for stating that this addon was rubbish when it was first released.

Guess no one was listening if some of you went and bought it anyway.

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Meh personally I have been quite happy with 800XP, sure it might seem rubbish if you expect something like Eaglesoft quality but personally I can enjoy wider range of product than just the most complete simulations. 

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Thanks for feedback. I have waited a lot of years to get the 800XP in FS after the version that was available in Fly! So when I fly private jets it is Eaglesoft Cessna II and Beechjet with TSS Cessna Citation PW-JT15D sound pack. 

 

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I trust no one when it comes to Business Jets other than ES, the Citation X 2.0 has a little age on it. It preforms so close to the real aircraft that it isn't even funny. About all that is out of sorts with it is the climb rate @ altitude and that is outside of ES's control. In other words I don't believe by design the sim would allow to simulate that for real because of all the variables that take a role in this number. Graphics and lighting are really good. Flight planning software will need to be used, SIDS and STARS can be flown. Navigraph Updates monthly cycle is avail. FMS programming is much simpler on the Honeywell system. In other words unlike the Smiths which actually started out on Lears.  Once you learn the simplicity of the system flight planning is simple when you understand how it works. Other than the aircraft I fly daily in real life I can't view my charts on the screen nor weather radar. So for a choice in business air you decide, this will be the closest you can get. I only hope to have a soverign one day which I would also buy. Happy Flying Cpt out.

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Xtreme P lear 20 series is just simply fun. Use it with Reality XP Garmin and it's even more fun.

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Meh personally I have been quite happy with 800XP, sure it might seem rubbish if you expect something like Eaglesoft quality but personally I can enjoy wider range of product than just the most complete simulations. 

Good point to remember. There is something for everyone to like or not like when it comes to flight sim products.

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Xtreme P lear 20 series is just simply fun. Use it with Reality XP Garmin and it's even more fun.

Yeah. It has personality hey?

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It's an interesting aircraft with an interesting history. If I remember a story about it correctly......  Bill Lear was blasting out of an air force base with it one day and the tower commented on the obvious performance. Bill replied something to the effect, " Just wait till I start the other engine". 

 

This creation is easy on the eyes and easy of the FPS and simply fun. Also it doesn't require you to browse 100 or more pages of manuals or do a detailed set up to go flying. Plus it SCOOTS!

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The Learjet, with 530W popup, is pretty decent.

 

The interior and exterior isn't great but for so few bizjet addons it's a decent choice. It's pretty quick too for a light jet.

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Just reinstalled my old CitationX...been about 3 years since I've flown it...yuk, some of the vc textures and modeling really need a do-over :-)

 

Would you say the Lear is graphically on par with the CitationX, or would you even rate it below the CitX??

 

I'm really in the market for a single pilot jet but I don't think I have the stomach at this point for anything that may be a step below the graphics of what I've already got here.

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The Flight1 Citation Mustang is very good.

 

Well, there's another thread where I duscuss my feelings about that one :-)

 

Lets just say that personally speaking I don't feel like paying $50 for a plane with sub par vc modelling/texturing/soundset...it's also quite a simplistic plane (as far as systems go) and is very slow (for a jet). Don't get me wrong, I feel the plane is generally "good", and I like it...but NOT for $50 at this point.

 

I used to own it, but I returned it and will not re-purchase it at it's current price level...I'd rather wait until I can get it for $30 OR I'd be willing to actually pay more than the $50 for a re-make version (if they gave it the graphical & sound love that it deserves)..

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The Learjet, with 530W popup, is pretty decent.

 

 

The interior and exterior isn't great but for so few bizjet addons it's a decent choice. It's pretty quick too for a light jet.

I still wish the 430 or 530 could be put into the vc.

 

Or no gps at all...

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.it's also quite a simplistic plane (as far as systems go) and is very slow (for a jet). Don't get me wrong, I feel the plane is generally "good", and I like it...but NOT for $50 at this point.

 

Not sure I understand what you mean here.  As jets go, the RW plane is pretty straightforward itself, being designed for single pilot operation.  From a systems management perspective, it's probably an easier plane to fly than most complex piston singles and twins if you leave how fast things can happen out of the equation.  If that's what you meant, then we agree.  If you're saying the model is simplistic, I'd be curious to know in what way.  The G1000, while not complete, is still arguably the best available in any aircraft out there, and while I wouldn't put the VC in the top 5 it's also not that bad.

 

Don't get me wrong either, I've never quite been able to fully warm up to this plane either so its hardly a favorite, but it's not bad and certainly a good choice if a VLJ is what you're looking for.

 

Scott

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HI Scott, no I did not mean that they under modeled the systems...I only meant that the real plane (and sim version) has very simplistic systems management. Just as you stated, simpler than some GA prop planes.

 

Yea it's an ok plane for $30 (because I feel you are really paying mostly for a G1000 and flight dynamics). But for $50 it needs much better engine spool up (and spool down), much better sounds, and it needs a better 3d model and texturing to include such things as Glare Shield, Window reflections and the new landing/taxi lights, etc.

 

I guess at this point in time I feel it's an over-rated plane only due to it's $50 price tag. But that's a purely personal take on it. I fully admit that I'm a real pain in the arse to please these days.

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The Eaglesoft Citation X 2.0 rocks!  It is really amazing and the only bizjet that's worthy in FSX IMO.  Although the textures are dated it's still a truly immersive experience and a must have for FSX.  Besides, it's the fastest passenger jet in the world now that the Concorde is kaput.

 

I've never tried the Flight1 Mustang. Should I try it?  It seems that it's probably not as good as the Citation.  

 

Some of the Flight1 products are WAY over-priced.  $55.00 for Level D?  Super 80 $80.00?  Citation Mustang?  $50.00.  These products are YEARS OLD.

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The Learjet, with 530W popup, is pretty decent.

 

 

The interior and exterior isn't great but for so few bizjet addons it's a decent choice. It's pretty quick too for a light jet.

Did you get the update with new cockpit interior?

 

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...and is very slow (for a jet).

Yes, this and lack of VNAV modelling turn off my interest.

 

Dirk.

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