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Do I want Airbus X Extended?

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Folks,
I may be quite interested in this product, but i'm not sure. I hear people's FPS have varied, some say its better than the NGX, others say its worse. Does it still come with the RAAS system? Am I right in saying it comes with RW ATC chatter in the background? Are there any major bugs?
Really, I just want to get familiar with an A320, it's a new challenge and something new to learn....
As someone who is waiting for the PMDG 777, and will no doubt only really fly that when it's released, IS IT WORTH THE COST??

Thanks, hope some of you guys can help, if you need me to be clearer on some of these points, say, and i'll explain them more!

Thanks!

-Andy


 

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Does it still come with the RAAS system

 

Yes

 

comes with RW ATC chatter in the background

 

Yes

 

FPS are fine - get it IMO price is to low - amazing product

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IS IT WORTH THE COST??

That's a very subjective question, you are bound to have several points of view!

 

Mine is a Yes, provided you are aware that this is an excellent simulation limited to a standard operation, not including a number of systems that you don't really use - or need to use - in a normal operation without failures. It is not an NGX type of simulation neither does it claim to be.

 

With this in mind, if you want to learn how to - basically - operate an Airbus, that's OK and very pleasing. FPS are not a problem in my case (neither are they for the NGX) and I have been fully satisfied with this simulation. The few remaining bugs are progressively eliminated by numerous incremental small patches and, to be honest, I have yet to see one in my flights.

 

Furthermore the developer is committed to further improve its product with more details such as weather radar and terrain radar (the former being still a question mark though). RAAS is part of the product but limited to it (can't be used with another product). As for the real world chatter I used it once and stopped it as it can be quite repetitive and unnecessary in my opinion.

 

Good luck with your choice.

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http://forum.avsim.net/topic/411549-questions-about-airbus-extended/

 

All your answers here.

 

As Rich says - for the money it's excellent. I initially turned off the copilot and checklist feature but actually it's pretty good - although you may need the add on voice set which you can find in the library here, along with the replacement pushback voices, as the original for some crazy reason sounds like Steven Hawking. 

It's missing a few things from the real one - the 'hockey stick' level off indicator would make descents easier and according to those in the know some of the autopilot modes are a bit screwy but for regular everyday flying you'll have no problems. All in all, a very solid effort from Aerosoft. 

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From what you posted, I'd say yes.

 

Here is the best well done walkthrough I've seen on the plane showing most all of its features.

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(...), some say its better than the NGX, others say its worse. (...) Are there any major bugs?

Really, I just want to get familiar with an A320, it's a new challenge and something new to learn....

As someone who is waiting for the PMDG 777, and will no doubt only really fly that when it's released, IS IT WORTH THE COST??

 

(...)

 

 

 

It's your own fault ...

 

NO with respect to your statements concerning the NGX and the T7.

 

YES as far as familiarization and flightdeck experience is concerned.

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- although you may need the add on voice set which you can find in the library here, along with the replacement pushback voices,

I may invest in GSX for push and other airport services to be honest....

From what you posted, I'd say yes.

 

Here is the best well done walkthrough I've seen on the plane showing most all of its features.

 

That's what made me think of the AEX.....! It looks great to be honest.....but whether I want it....

It's your own fault ...

 

NO with respect to your statements concerning the NGX and the T7.

 

YES as far as familiarization and flightdeck experience is concerned.

As an Aspiring Pilot who would have a high chance at flying these, this why kinda why I want it, almost to "get ahead", know how it flies, know how to set it up from C+D, etc etc

And this is another thing:

By no means have I got bored with the NGX, I've just overflown it, I've kinda lost ideas and inspirations for routes. I have discovered my Heathrow Xtreme is now running a lot smoother than I remember,  i'm concentrating my routes on LHR. As there are more Baby Bus flights than 737's that operate to/from LHR, you see my point as to why I may also want to get it....

 

 

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(...)

 

As an Aspiring Pilot who would have a high chance at flying these, this why kinda why I want it, almost to "get ahead", know how it flies, know how to set it up from C+D, etc etc

(...)

 

 

As an aspiring pilot you'll get the FSL Airbus when it's out, that's 250% certain. The FSL Bus will be up to PMDG standards and all will be fine and balanced in your hangar.

 

Consider the Aerosoft AAX as an intermediate step - something that fills the gap until FSL release.

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As an aspiring pilot you'll get the FSL Airbus when it's out.

Is there a product page yet, of what it contains? If it has RAAS and the checklists then that will be a must buy, but if not, then, it may be a no....

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The FSL is not out yet as it's still in development.

 

 

If you want NGX levels of realism you would be best waiting for the FSL. If you just want a 'bus for having a 'bus sake, get the Airbus X Extended.

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Is there a product page yet, of what it contains? If it has RAAS and the checklists then that will be a must buy, but if not, then, it may be a no....

 

 

I'm not aware of a FSL feature list yet.

 

RAAS: There's a freeware RAAS in the AVSIM lib.

C/Ls: MCE can work with a variety of aircraft, not just FSL or AAX ...

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<p>Go for it. it's still my number 1 choice of aircraft (NGX a quick 2nd of course!)</p>

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AXE much, much easier on my system [very, very low end!]

 

I will tell you that out of the box, my FPS were lower. I used to get about 15 FPS in the NGX, but that number dropped to 12-13 in the AXE. For the price of this airplane, it's amazing value. It has RW ATC Chatter, checklists with a toggle for a copilot, or you can do all the work. The RAAS has a few bugs, IE thinking you are approaching RWY 30L when it really is 30C, which is just due to the fact that the RAAS system came out a bit ago, and I'm not sure you get updates on it since it's a freeware version of it. I'm actually not quite sure why people say the systems depth isn't as great as PMDG. I think it's pretty close, you can start it from C&D, or a ready to taxi-state, even a ready for take-off state! It's got the perfect complexity for anyone from a novice --> RW A320/A321 Pilot. It's a beauty to fly, manual flying is simple. FBW is very well managed and utilized. It's my favorite add-on, moreso than the PMDG NGX, because not only is it easier on my system, there is a great amount of immersion with the ATC chatter as well as the C/Ls.

 

In case you do want to extend your fleet, there is an A318/A319 in the series coming out [hopefully!] this fall! Next year, an A330 with the same features is expected. There is no A340 planned.

 

 

 Following these steps I created myself, I was able to double that number of FPS in the AXE, and gain even more than that. This information was copied from a thread that was created asking similar questions.

In my case it was not an icon on the desktop, so I will tell you how to get there the long way!

 

1. Go to C:\...\Flight Simulator X\aerosoft\Airbus X Extended

2. Scroll until you see the Aerosoft.AirbusX.Configurator.

3. Open the .exe

4. Look for "Logging."

5. Uncheck whatever you'd like [i unchecked all]

6. Expect a great FPS increase!

 

For a little bit more FPS Savings follow these instructions:

 

1. Go to C:\...\Flight Simulator X\aerosoft\Airbus X Extended

2. Scroll until you see the Aerosoft.AirbusX.Configurator.

3. Open the .exe

4. Look for "MCDU"

5. Uncheck all options available, unless of course you utilize said features.

 

And finally, for the last bit of FPS savings!

 

1. Go to C:\...\Flight Simulator X\aerosoft\Airbus X Extended

2. Scroll until you see the Aerosoft.AirbusX.Configurator.

3. Open the .exe

4. Look for "ND."

5. Change the Maximums of Airports, NDBs, VORs, and Waypoints, to whatever you are comfortable with, this may involve experimentation until you find a comfortable blend between performance and maximums on the ND. I set mine to 75 on all.

 

I hope that gives you a decent idea of what to expect if you do end up purchasing this beautiful plane. If you want any more information, please, let me know either here or message me.

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Is there a good hardcore A330 or A340 around for FSX?

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Is there a good hardcore A330 or A340 around for FSX?

Blackbox do an A330. Some folk like it but it doesn't look too great to my eyes. Aerosoft will do one next year and if their A320 is anything to go by it will be a good un. I think FSL said they will be doing both an A330 and an A340. I think with the Bus as the systems are similar and the flight decks virtually identical (not so with the A380 and the A350) once you've done one it isn't a mammoth task to do the others as the biggest job is presumably the exterior model.

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I'm undecided about this, I have found that with my installation of the Airbus X Extended I am able to complete 1 in 4 flights (25%) of the time without my system crashing, there is always something different causing this each time. Having said that, the flight I complete is enjoyable. With the NGX I can complete the same flights about 3 in 4 (75%) of the time. What I really enjoy about the Airbus X extended is the interactive Captain - F/O check-list and autopilot function. What I don't like is the lack of a full auto decent and ILS approach. What I really enjoy about the NGX is the VC graphics and texturing and general realistic appearance. What I don't like is that most flights of the NGX don't load the engine shaft cones for some reason (another post).

 

In summary - I think they are both good products and equally enjoyable but have their problems and vices - just like real world aircraft.

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(...) The RAAS has a few bugs, IE thinking you are approaching RWY 30L when it really is 30C, which is just due to the fact that the RAAS system came out a bit ago, and I'm not sure you get updates on it since it's a freeware version of it. (...)

 

You have to update the runway database in FSX via makerwys.exe as per the included RAAS manual. Use the latest makerwys version from schiratti.com.

 

The AAX RAAS is NOT freeware. It's the payware RAAS by Bryan York's FS2Crew, it's a high-fidelity RAAS. The version included with the AAX is the full version locked to this aircraft.

(...) What I don't like is the lack of a full auto decent and ILS approach. (...)

 

 

Managed descent and full ILS approach including autoland capability are all there in current AAX version 1.10. You should really update your version to 1.1 to find out for yourself.

 

Your CTDs are worth troubleshooting as they are neither related to the NGX nor to the AAX.

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I would not be without the AXE now, get a lot of satisfaction out of it. Certainly reccomend it.

 

 

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Why are we convincing him?

He can read the reviews, and heaps of user reviews on the net.

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You have to update the runway database in FSX via makerwys.exe as per the included RAAS manual. Use the latest makerwys version from schiratti.com.

 

The AAX RAAS is NOT freeware. It's the payware RAAS by Bryan York's FS2Crew, it's a high-fidelity RAAS. The version included with the AAX is the full version locked to this aircraft.

 

My apologies. I always thought it was a  "Lite Version" but in fact it is the fully operable one just locked to the AXE. Thanks for telling me how to update that, I'll definitely need to do that. Coming up to runways and being told it's the wrong one gets my heart pumping for a minute!

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My apologies. (...)

 

 

May be too late (  :O   ): Bryan has this knee-capping thing going all the time; he's very fond of the Irish style, you know ...   :P

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 I'm actually not quite sure why people say the systems depth isn't as great as PMDG. I think it's pretty close, you can start it from C&D, or a ready to taxi-state, even a ready for take-off state! It's got the perfect complexity for anyone from a novice --> RW A320/A321 Pilot. 

 

Okay, let's set a few things straight right here and now.

 

Firstly: The complexity is no where close to the NGX. It isn not the perfect complexity for a RW A230/A321 pilot, not even close.

 

Secondly: It was never meant to be as in depth on the systems front as the NGX, they set out with this in mind from the start to reduce the development time and reduce the cost for the end user. It is a mid-point product when it comes to system depth, it is halfway between the NGX and Default Aircraft. It is no where close to the NGX in terms of system depth, but it was never meant to be. Can people please get this notion out of their heads that the AXE is accurately programmed from a system point of view, it's not.

 

Of course they're more advanced than the default systems, but they're not close enough to the real aircraft to say that they're accurate. They were never meant to be. This aircraft is for beginners and casual simmers who aren't looking to learn how to fly an A320 accurately, they just want something that roughly behaves like one and that looks like one, so that they get the general gist of an A320. 

 

Regards,

Ró.

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Okay, let's set a few things straight right here and now.

 

Firstly: The complexity is no where close to the NGX. It isn not the perfect complexity for a RW A230/A321 pilot, not even close.

 

Secondly: It was never meant to be as in depth on the systems front as the NGX, they set out with this in mind from the start to reduce the development time and reduce the cost for the end user. It is a mid-point product when it comes to system depth, it is halfway between the NGX and Default Aircraft. It is no where close to the NGX in terms of system depth, but it was never meant to be. Can people please get this notion out of their heads that the AXE is accurately programmed from a system point of view, it's not.

 

Of course they're more advanced than the default systems, but they're not close enough to the real aircraft to say that they're accurate. They were never meant to be. This aircraft is for beginners and casual simmers who aren't looking to learn how to fly an A320 accurately, they just want something that roughly behaves like one and that looks like one, so that they get the general gist of an A320. 

 

Regards,

Ró.

 

I should re-phrase what I meant. No matter how you like to fly, you CAN configure it to be at that depth, anything up to but short of flying the real thing. You are a RW A320 pilot, so obviously you know MUCH better than I do or ever could. I really just said the wrong words, by throwing PMDG with an Airbus!  :P

 

Never making that mistake again. This does function as an A320 would, and me being not a  RW pilot, it gets the amount of complexity I require to enjoy it.

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Hey Ró, could I offer you a soothing tea? ;)

 

In all seriousness, I wish this post would automatically appear when people suggest the AXE is at/almost at PMDG system depth. Just no, it isn't. If it was modelled accurately the APU would not start up in 3 seconds, you wouldn't need >40% N1 to move off, fuel flow wouldn't begin at 2% N2 etc etc. These are the things hardcore simmers look for. It has a nice looking model and could serve as an introduction to Airbus but you should not place any real confidence in its accuracy - exactly as the developers told us it would be.

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