The strategy of withholding the pricing until the day of release needs to be re-examined. A company such as A2A, which strikes me as one of integrity, would be better served by just being open about the pricing when the release is forthcoming.I believe the current strategy contributes to the hype and is nothing more than market manipulation - completely unnecessary for a company with such an excellent reputation.

 

I agree with you completely. I'm sure I will be buying the 172 but marketing games like this do nothing but potentially hurt A2A's reputation.

Oh come off it ......... must sure get lonely up on that lofty high ground :rolleyes:

 

You go on as though the people who have a largely unusable plane, are just moaning whingers.   Have you tried operating your 'perfect' aircraft without using any clickspots at all?.... it sure as heck isn't possible in this product.

 

Small little gripes, sure, people take them out of perspective  -  major issues such as no clickspots or even an aircraft that cannot get moving from a standstill on grass strips that have the very tiniest of inclines are major dealbreakers ............

 

Bear in mind, two things-

 

• As much as I respect Scott and A2A, this is not Flight 1 and we've all already put down our money, and got our severely broken plane, with no entitlement to a refund.

• Scott has said (being honest, which I respect) that presently, no-one in the A2A team can reproduce the loss of clickspots that dozens of us are reporting and talking of here..... so the prognosis as it currently stands, in not positive.

 

I am sure that if you were in our position, you would be discussing and talking about it too, and that I dare say you would include a slight tone of disappointment.

 

Oh no, you're right. Posting positive opinions while someone else has problems is not allowed.

 

I'm so sorry to have offended you with my positivity.  Think I'm done here, enjoy your 172 everyone.

I don't think there is any problem with the pricing.  Most people familiar with A2A releases knew it was going to be in the 50-60USD ballpark, just as most of the PMDG folks knew the 777 would be in the 80-100USD range.  I don't know what reputation of A2As would be hurt since they have never publicly released price info for any of their previous releases, just like most FS addon developers.  All you have to do is just look at the cost of previous addons and you should always have a ballpark idea of what the price will be.

Just to dispel any rumors, we don't announce pricing or release dates because these are decisions that are made very late in development / testing.  The final decision for pricing is usually made just days before the product goes on sale.

 

Scott.

Hot fix update:

 

I have now had 1 occurrence of click spots being disabled for a very short period of time right after shutting down the engine by leaning out the mixture and then shutting off the ignition from my Saitek control panel's rotary knob (not sure if this related in any way, just mentioning it) - the click spots seem to spontaneously reappear after about 10 seconds - I haven't had another incident so far after that, but am keeping an eye out...
 

One issue I seem to have is with the behavior on take off. The front wheel feels like it is magnetically stuck to the runway! Rotation at 60 is difficult but suddenly the wheel breaks free and I am suddenly at 10 degrees nose up. Kinda twitchy like. It's just odd.

 

Plane model is awesome in so many other ways for sure though. Still flying patterns to compare with what I have felt in similar planes in RL as a passenger and as a right seat newbie with the yoke in my own hands.

 

I would like to thank A2A for the innovation they put fourth in these models. Love it. Especially inclusion of RXP integration.

 

C.

Yes, I am having an issue with turning on the ground. I thought it was my Saitek Cyborg X that was the issue so I reloaded drivers. This made no difference.

I recall the Sibwings Anotov  also had the same issue until someone came up with a modified config that worked a treat.

 

Using the Star and minus keys on the numeric keypad doesn't help, if anything it forces an already slow moving aircraft into a stuttering stop after a very small swing. Then a series of over revving the engine occurs as I try to bump the aircraft around a turn....

 

 

Just to dispel any rumors, we don't announce pricing or release dates because these are decisions that are made very late in development / testing.  The final decision for pricing is usually made just days before the product goes on sale.

 

Thanks for your reply Scott. If you don't mind me offering a further opinion. I trust when you go into development of an aircraft you must already have some idea of a budget based on previous builds and sales figures. We all realise there is only a narrow bracket of pricing before your sales curve starts to dip down. Indeed more than one supporter offered the opinion your pricing will be similar to all other models (in the 50 to 60 dollar range). This latest incarnation happily is at the lower end of this price spectrum.

 

A2A is entitled to price a product how they like and when they like, but to be honest I believe your last minute pricing policy can only be nickel and diming a target figure of a few dollars or cents different from your previous models. I think probably your biggest pricing decision had to be whether to bundle Accu-sim as inclusive or separate. In other words and with all due respect I believe you could have fronted a price well before you went to market with the product.. What difference would that have made? Probably not a lot to most people with fingers on the credit card trigger, but i believe it would have been a more honorable way to proceed rather than having the likes of me feeling its all marketing hype - you know, "salivating with credit card to hell with the price."  

Also rotation seems quite extreme, it really needs to tiniest of back pressure to shoot up, and then - if you set your trim at the T/O position - you find yourself furiously trimming down, as your airspeed bleeds ....55.....50.....45......42.... !! ........   

 

Thus I have been setting an artificially nose down trim setting for take-off, which reduced the above two 'effects'.

 

Did you buy the same A2A C172 as me? I've found it to be the exact opposite - lots of trim UP needed after take off. If I just let go of the yoke after liftoff, it will just fly itself nose-first into the runway.

 

I'm thinking about uploading a video because I'm just not seeing the same behavior as some people here. Maybe parts of Accu-Sim are not being installed correctly for some users?

 

 

One issue I seem to have is with the behavior on take off. The front wheel feels like it is magnetically stuck to the runway! Rotation at 60 is difficult but suddenly the wheel breaks free and I am suddenly at 10 degrees nose up. Kinda twitchy like. It's just odd.

 

Plane model is awesome in so many other ways for sure though. Still flying patterns to compare with what I have felt in similar planes in RL as a passenger and as a right seat newbie with the yoke in my own hands.

 

I would like to thank A2A for the innovation they put fourth in these models. Love it. Especially inclusion of RXP integration.

 

C.

 

I wonder if the violent pitch-up and the "sticky wheels" are related. I don't have the problem with the airplane sticking to the ground, and rotation seems normal.

Yes I must admit I have not managed a single acceptable landing yet ..... :lol: .... I've floated and/or ballooned on every single landing so far.    The airplane does not seem keen to meet with Mother Earth, after a flight.

 

Also rotation seems quite extreme, it really needs to tiniest of back pressure to shoot up, and then - if you set your trim at the T/O position - you find yourself furiously trimming down, as your airspeed bleeds ....55.....50.....45......42.... !! ........   

 

Thus I have been setting an artificially nose down trim setting for take-off, which reduced the above two 'effects'.

 

I have performed a couple of take-offs in a real C172 (albeit it not a 'R' and I remember needing a lot more back pressure to get airborne at 60-65kts, and also, if the trim had been set on the T/O markers, the aircraft was then nicely trimmed for the climbout; it wasn't necessary to significantly re-trim down for the climb.

 

 

Well, in the R and SP models, very little back pressure is needed. The modeling for takeoff is spot on whether you like it or not. Landing on the other hand... 

While you're here - sorry, I really don't want to sign up for another 'forum system that is separate from the order system' just to make a simple one line suggestion...

 

Have you thought about keeping a maintenance log from the maintenance hanger? It'd be nice to have

Will add it to the wishlist for one of the future core updates, some users on our forums have also requested something similar re: the oil age being listed. Thankyou for the suggestion Nikki

 

 

Update:

 

Well as I documented, I was losing clickspots after 1-3 minutes of use.....

 

Since applying the HOTFIX, I have now flown just short of 4 hours in the plane, and have not had a single incidence of clickspots disappearing.... so very happy in that regard,   :smile:

 

The FDE now feels perfect to me since reducing the excessive '2.00' value to '1.00' for the Elevator Effectiveness, in the [Flight Tuning] section.

 

My single only gripe with the plane now is the "sticky brakes / ground friction problem"....... still needing full power (and then some) to even get moving at all but paved airports.

My single only gripe with the plane now is the "sticky brakes / ground friction problem"....... still needing full power (and then some) to even get moving at all but paved airports.

 

Did you try applying and then releasing parking brakes with the period key and then not touching the toe brakes?

I need about 1650 - 1700 RPM to start moving at unpaved OrbX airports.

 

Also, did you try this if you have FSUIPC?

"go to the fsuipc.ini, find "BrakeReleaseThreshold = 75" and set it to 0."

 

I guess now that the clickspot issue appears to have been fixed, the next issue they will look into is the ground friction...

Did you try applying and then releasing parking brakes with the period key and then not touching the toe brakes?

I need about 1650 - 1700 RPM to start moving at unpaved OrbX airports.

 

 

Yes, thanks Jimmi, that does work, but obviously isn't a long term solution, because as soon as you touch the foot brakes again, the problem resumes.

 

But yes, I am toggling the parking brake for now, to remove the issue momentarily.

 

I have tested the HOTFIX which Scott sent me, and for me, it has completely cured the Clickspot problem.  :smile:

 

This is not A2A announcing it as fixed, I'm just Joe user, but the problem is completely fixed for me, since applying the Hotfix.

 

A2A Forum post:

 

http://a2asimulations.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=35864&p=270426#p270426

 

Hopefully this will work for the others that tested it to - and Scott will hopefully then roll it out.

 

Cheers.

 

 

1. Glad it worked for you!

 

2. Thanks for that link because I didn't even see they opened a tech support forum...!!! LOL I already wondered why there weren't more questions being asked on the regular C172 forum.  ^_^

 

 

Will add it to the wishlist for one of the future core updates, some users on our forums have also requested something similar re: the oil age being listed. Thankyou for the suggestion Nikki

 

 

 

Thanks for stopping by so frequently! I will also post this on the A2A forum but I only have one wish (because everything else is perfectly fine) and that's that EVERYTHING can be saved (if possible automatically but if that's impossible then at least by saving the flight)! 

 

You mentioned the core update: will I have to watch out for both C172 updates AND core updates in the future...?