Hi Lewis I will be buying this weekend. Will the "hot fix" be included in any new purchases or will it need to be downloaded seperatly ?cheers

Did you buy the same A2A C172 as me? I've found it to be the exact opposite - lots of trim UP needed after take off. If I just let go of the yoke after liftoff, it will just fly itself nose-first into the runway.

 

I'm thinking about uploading a video because I'm just not seeing the same behavior as some people here. Maybe parts of Accu-Sim are not being installed correctly for some users?

 

Re: FM debates and discussions

 

Please remember that FM talks are subjective as the 172 release is proving. Also remember that the 172R flies differently to other 172 variants, esp the older models. What we are currently being told as feedback by actual 172R pilots worldwide is;

 

1) FM is awesome and spot on

2) FM is good one or two minor issues

3) FM is crap and totally wrong

 

We are slowly going over all of the feedback, conducting further flight tests and are changing some bits that might need editing slightly etc, and trying our best to make it as real as our experiences with the aircraft have been and include and test as much feedback as we can. Scott went up in the 172 again yesterday and then switched to another R version and sure enough between the two 172R's tested yesterday there where major differances on simple things like rpm needed to move. Showing us that no two aircraft are ever the same - much like Computers, or FSX installs I suppose.

 

Because of the above please understand that controller hardware and calibration will play a role also in how things feel within the sim and can change ones experience with any aircraft in any sim.

 

And finally, please keep the debate alive, you can go to any airfield around the globe and have these exact same debates with pilots about the same aircraft. Its great to see this being transferred across to the world of simulation - I think its a good thing and we welcome it as its helping us all improve and view things through different eyes.

 

 

 

 

Hi Lewis I will be buying this weekend. Will the "hot fix" be included in any new purchases or will it need to be downloaded seperatly ?cheers

 

By this weekend it should be part of the installer. We will post on our forums the proper hotfix so everyone doesnt have to redownload a full installer and for new customers this will be included.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for stopping by so frequently! I will also post this on the A2A forum but I only have one wish (because everything else is perfectly fine) and that's that EVERYTHING can be saved (if possible automatically but if that's impossible then at least by saving the flight)!

 

 

 

You mentioned the core update: will I have to watch out for both C172 updates AND core updates in the future...?

 

Hello,

 

yes we will be adding the chocks and tie-downs to the storage function for saving. Regarding the updates they are planned to be conducted via our core update so its one download that updates the Accu-sim Spitfire, P-40, P-51's and now C172.

 

many thanks,

Lewis - A2A

sent scott a PM, good to hear Dave.

 

away for 2 weeks now so..... Hope its all fixed when back.

 

Have fun.

 

 

What we are currently being told as feedback by actual 172R pilots worldwide is;
 
1) FM is awesome and spot on
2) FM is good one or two minor issues
3) FM is crap and totally wrong

 

LOL!!! 

 

 

yes we will be adding the chocks and tie-downs to the storage function for saving. Regarding the updates they are planned to be conducted via our core update so its one download that updates the Accu-sim Spitfire, P-40, P-51's and now C172.

 

Clear! Thanks!

 

BTW Apart from the chocks and tie-downs I would like everything to be saved so also the state of switches and gauges (OBS, QNH, etc...)

Yes, thanks Jimmi, that does work, but obviously isn't a long term solution, because as soon as you touch the foot brakes again, the problem resumes.

 

But yes, I am toggling the parking brake for now, to remove the issue momentarily.

 

Interesting - so I think it's an issue of the brake getting partially stuck, rather than an issue with the actual friction values.

Interesting - so I think it's an issue of the brake getting partially stuck, rather than an issue with the actual friction values.

 

Yep - that seems to be the concensus now, on the A2A forum.

 

It seems the brakes (for reasons not fully understood) are 'sticking' on by a certain %, and only a toggle of the Park brake will release them... but applying any amount of subsequent toe braking will stick the brakes on again.

 

Sure they'll crack it in time.. :smile:

 

 

Re; the varying feedback on the Flight model.   To me it's definiately not crap! ....... my only observations were a slightly too sensitive/pitchy elevator, and a lack of any apparant nose nose behaviour when power is reduced on landing...... leading to a tendancy to float and/or balloon.

The FDE now feels perfect to me since reducing the excessive '2.00' value to '1.00' for the Elevator Effectiveness, in the [Flight Tuning] section.

 

 

What a difference a teeny weeny digit makes! Good call, thanks.

Most of my flights I haven't used that preflight check because it's flawed(many functions don't work and as it is now it seems more like a gimick).  B)

 

What a bold statement to make with seemingly zero experience with the product. What exactly doesn't work?  Do you mean some of the clickable elements? They only come into play when something requires action. For example, the button on the cowling inspection does nothing when everything is alright. But yesterday I did my pre-flight and someone very visibly left a cloth in the cowling (in the 3D model of the aircraft), Clicking the button removed that cloth. If you are frustrated with some things not working properly for you, how frustrated do you think Scott and Co. are when they read you spewing false information all over forums in some misdirected rage fit that could hurt sales for no good reason? Calm down!

Ha ha yes, I had the cloth left in the cowling also... :lol:

 

Best of all, yesterday while using a "used" configuration, I started the engine and the noise was really metallic and awful, and my whole cockpit was dramatically vibrating..... at first I thought it was my Opus Camera DHM effects going mad, but I discovered they were normal.....

 

.....so I shut off the engine and went to the Maintenance Hangar, to learn that "Metal fragments had gone through the oil filter and contaminated the engine" .......   After a full strip down (of the engine, not me), I started the engine and it was smooth again ....  

 

AWESOME! ...... :cool:

 

I know there have been some problems, including some serious problems but now that the 'disappearing clickspots' have been fixed, and hopefully when the FDE is refined and the 'stuck in the mud' bug is fixed, this experience with the broken engine reminded me just how amazing A2A and Accu-sim really are.... :smile:

It's weird how Accusim sometimes is very convincing and sometimes seems broken. For example I tried pointing the plane straight down at 10,000 feet with full throttle. I then pulled so many G's the screen turned black. Plane was still working great, though the engine was running noticeably rough.

 

However I've had a few convincing moments with the "Used" function too, which makes the pre-flight necessary for safe flying.

 

 

A much nicer and more accurate torque, p-factor, and some slipstream effects coming. This is also coordinated with some new physics for the ball in the turn & balance indicator.

 

When that is done, I can't imagine a reason why someone who flight sims would not see this as an immensely valuable airplane to have in their hangar.  On takeoff, in slow flight and on power-on climbs & stalls, the effect is substantial and essential to know how to deal with.  While a 172 is a simple airplane, flying one well in the RW is nuanced and fun. 

I've experienced the "brake sticking" effect on other aircraft, including the default C172 and the Carenado V35B. So hopefully if it's something specific to the aircraft models it can solve the problem for these other planes too.

What a bold statement to make with seemingly zero experience with the product. What exactly doesn't work?  Do you mean some of the clickable elements? They only come into play when something requires action. For example, the button on the cowling inspection does nothing when everything is alright. But yesterday I did my pre-flight and someone very visibly left a cloth in the cowling (in the 3D model of the aircraft), Clicking the button removed that cloth. If you are frustrated with some things not working properly for you, how frustrated do you think Scott and Co. are when they read you spewing false information all over forums in some misdirected rage fit that could hurt sales for no good reason? Calm down!

 

A lot of things don't work for me in the Preflight.... I can't wiggle the left and right flaps, the fuel draining seems too do nothing. The only things that work for me are checking the fuel and oil levels, wiggling the trim pad, checking pitot, locking the fuselage, and the visual inpections. The things I haven't mentioned also doesn't work(can't remember what it was right now). So yeah I find it abit useless at the moment.

It's like "hey check out these cool things you could have done, but they are there just so you get an impression you're doing a preflight check". Maybe a bold statement, but right now that's the way I feel :mellow:

E.g the fuel draining only shows a pretty picture but pressing drain fuel doesn't do anything...Maybe Im doing something wrong, dunno, maybe they can put up a video on how to doe the preflight check because I can't get a lot of things to work...

 

But don't get me wrong I love this plane, got rid of the ground friction issue yesterday so I haven't much to complain about anymore. Except the preflight...

 

 

Yes, thanks Jimmi, that does work, but obviously isn't a long term solution, because as soon as you touch the foot brakes again, the problem resumes.

 

After I had cycled the parking brakes the friction issue was gone for me, I could even use the toe brakes and it did't come back. Infact every time I load the aircraft now it just works, go figure...

A lot of things don't work for me in the Preflight.... I can't wiggle the left and right flaps, the fuel draining seems too do nothing. The only things that work for me are checking the fuel and oil levels, wiggling the trim pad, checking pitot, locking the fuselage, and the visual inpections. The things I haven't mentioned also doesn't work(can't remember what it was right now). So yeah I find it abit useless at the moment.

It's like "hey check out these cool things you could have done, but they are there just so you get an impression you're doing a preflight check". Maybe a bold statement, but right now that's the way I feel :mellow:

 

Hello, 

 

You shouldnt have to do anything for a lot of the steps of a Preflight but LOOK for the most part until there is a problem. Once a problem can be seen the issue can be sorted. By ignoring the pre-flight with everything ON you risk taking off and having serious issues such as damaged controls, etc.

 

For example the cowling only needs sorting if theres something in it, or water draining if there is water in the jar.

 

We have tried to realistically create the pre-flight so you will not get an issue every single time and most of the time everything will be just fine, exactly like real life. So just like in real life the pre-flight is a check for safety, because the moment you stop doing them is the moment you can, potentially, quickly become very dead.

 

thanks,

Lewis

Did you buy the same A2A C172 as me? I've found it to be the exact opposite - lots of trim UP needed after take off. If I just let go of the yoke after liftoff, it will just fly itself nose-first into the runway.

 

Actually, I have the same exact problem with the pitch up on take off, so it is definitely not unique to one person. 

 

Ernie