THIS OVERHYPED PIECE OF CRAP!!

 

 

I think:

You're wrong

You should learn some manners

You should see how many people are enjoying it

worth its every pennies

I'm sure that the 777 is a great product, But $90 is a lot of money...

$50 maybe...Anyone else feel the same way?

 

Maniac

Hi,

 

Are you for real !!!! It's took them about 2 yrs to develop so they have to make a profit with it and it's so complex and the amount of work, I can't believe you have suggested $50.

 

If you think it's to much then don't buy it, your choice but starting topics like these are unnecessary really and pointless.

 

Jason

Not completly true. In 2008 i payed 89.99 for the md11 trought pmdg store. So the 777 is cheaper ;-)

 

I bought the MD11 three years later for $10 less, but your point that the T7 pricing is not unprecedented is totally correct.

 

My hunch is that most of those objecting to the T7's $90 price tag either:

 

1. Have owned a PMDG product but are simply not interested enough in simming to expend the effort required to really explore the richness of PMDG's aircraft, or

 

2. Do not own any other PMDG products, so they've not experienced the level of sophistication and quality that PMDG produces.

 

About the second group, they most likely base their conclusions about pricing on the quality of products they've flown from other developers which, though some may be fairly decent, do not come close to the kind of value found in PMDG's offerings, especially the MD11 and everything since. Anyone who shelled-out $100 for the full NGX series and has had a year or two to properly dig into it and appreciate how excellent PMDG's work is will not be put off by the T7 pricing.

 

Without exception every non-PMDG airliner I've tried over the past five years has left me frustrated and disappointed. "Half-baked" is the best way I can describe them. Weak documentation, big gaps in systems functionality, many features that "sort of work," and more non-intuitive processes than even Yahoo could dream-up. And this doesn't even include the bugs. A much anticipated airliner released last spring had several pages of bug report posts in their forum within 24 hours of going on sale. But, go to the developers' forums and state the obvious that this or that doesn't work or works badly and you're confronted with grief like, "what do you want for $60?", and "this is a 'light' simulation," and, even more telling, "this isn't PMDG."

 

I've had to deal with absolutely none of that with any of PMDG's products. It's now T7 release day +2 and I ask, "where are the bug posts in the forums?" When I plunk down my hard-earned cash I know without a doubt that I'm getting literally the best, most advanced and comprehensive simulation possible for FSX. I have been and am sure I will continue to be 100% satisfied with the stellar documentation, awesome stability and great performance of PMDG's amazing airliners.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and so it is for value. $90 was exactly what I expected to pay, so there was no sicker shock for me. Why no surprise? Because that $90 figure stands within the context of my cumulative experience with PMDG as a company and several years totally appreciating their simulations. And having spent only about 16 hours so far scanning the docs and doing 1 short flight in the 777, I already know that I've once again gotten one helluva lot of value for my money.

 

So, worth it? My answer is, "of course - it's PMDG." Enough said.

Well, that depends... it IS certainly VERY complicated from a development standpoint. I have never used FSL Concorde so I don't know how it compares...

 

Fair enough comment but bear in mind if you can fly a 737 you can probably pick up flying a 777 reasonably quickly. Concorde was a one-off. Much faster on take-off and landing plus no flaps to slow you down. You have to angle the delta wing to act as a brake. And that's before the added complexity of its flight profile at Mach 2 at 50,000ft+.

 

No, but have you taken a look at what the top addons offered then and what they offer now? I mean, even the best models of that era would be scoffed at today, considered not worthy even a freeware release... VC and exterior.

 

Systems modelling is way beyond it was then, or what it could be then.

 

Well the PMDG737 was ground-breaking 10 years ago and had a virtual cockpit and all the bells and whistles. I would imagine the developers have grown more experienced in how to accurately build a model and that's a good thing. But I still believe the asking price is far too high. Drop the price by 20USD and the 'maybes' could well buy it. There is a magic point of maximum price and maximum sales. I don't believe the 777 is anywhere near that point.

 

Yeah, I don't make twice as much as I would have ten years ago... but if you ask me, I am getting twice as much airplane.

 

Until I buy it I can't agree or disagree. Everyone has to judge whether they think it's worth it. Pity we can't try before you buy. :unsure:

There is no such thing as a 'correct' price for anything. The value of anything is how much someone is willing to pay for it. What is the correct price for an original Rembrandt? $33 million for someone in 2009.

 

 

There's inflation and there's flight sim inflation.

 

Simflation :lol:

It actually is. You can't judge a book by its cover, sir. There's a lot of things going on behind the scenes. Just because the Concorde's cockpit looks a lot more complicated doesn't mean it's more complex behind the scenes.

 

 

But there's so much more to Concorde than its panel. Flight dynamics with a delta-winged aircraft are far more complicated I would argue. No flaps to slow you down and modelling a supersonic aircraft that doesn't apply to any other aircraft. Is a 777 really that much different to a 767? I don't believe it is.

 

Inflation is the steady increase in the general level of prices of goods and services in an economy over a period of time. This isn't the case here. If you want a lesson on inflation, have a look at the cost of GA aircraft over time.

 

 

Do you mean GA aircraft in FS or the real world? If in FS then I wouldn't know because I don't buy them. But PMDG surely can't be immune to the fact that there is a world-wide recession going on and just because we have a computer and run FSX doesn't make us all rich. These price rises are worrying and the argument that over time the product pays for itself doesn't justify them in my opinion.

There is no such thing as a 'correct' price for anything. The value of anything is how much someone is willing to pay for it. What is the correct price for an original Rembrandt? $33 million for someone in 2009.

 

Agreed but there is a price deemed to bring the greatest profit. You could charge $1000 for it and have maybe 3 purchases. Then you could charge $5 and everyone would buy it but you wouldn't recoup your outgoings.

 

The clever bit is pitching it at the point that gives you maximum profit and allows the greatest number of people to be able to afford it.

Simflation :lol:

 

Spot on! Sadly alive and well in our hobby. It wasn't always that way.

cannot believe some of the garbage im reading here,anyone who thinks it not worth 90$ needs a check up from the neck up!

 

Gary Stallard

The only time i pay premium is at the gas pump :lol:

Hey algarete

 

just buy it..your a lawyer..you must earn 10x that for one hours work :smile:

 

 steve

 

 

But there's so much more to Concorde than its panel. Flight dynamics with a delta-winged aircraft are far more complicated I would argue. No flaps to slow you down and modelling a supersonic aircraft that doesn't apply to any other aircraft. Is a 777 really that much different to a 767? I don't believe it is.

 

It's really not that simple, though.  You're reducing it to very simple levels and you really don't know everything that is going on behind the scenes.  The ECL alone has a lot of complexity to it, not to mention the integration with RAAS, all of the functions of the FMS (which the Concorde does not have - the CIVA INS is rather simple, and was not written by FSLabs).  I'm not trying to downplay what they've done, but you really can't compare them on the surface like you're doing.

 

 

 

Do you mean GA aircraft in FS or the real world? If in FS then I wouldn't know because I don't buy them. But PMDG surely can't be immune to the fact that there is a world-wide recession going on and just because we have a computer and run FSX doesn't make us all rich. These price rises are worrying and the argument that over time the product pays for itself doesn't justify them in my opinion.

 

I'm talking about GA in the real world.

 

Either way, the excuse that "there's a world-wide recession going on" and "just because we have a computer and run FSX doesn't make us all rich" are rather bothersome.

 

1 - The "recession" isn't as bad as it was back in 2008.

2 - Just because you have a computer and run FSX doesn't mean everyone deserves a cheap 777.

 

Seriously...this is the only hobby where I've seen so much whining about prices and attempts to justify things.  It's nuts!

 

I had to buy a $50 goalie stick the other day and it's made out of wood and can't do much.  My helmet was a good couple hundred bucks.  My pads (in total) are over $1000.  That's all on top of the $400-500 per year in ice use fees.

 

...oh yeah, and let's not forget those fees have only gone up, despite the "wordwide recession."

 

Now, I guess, based on this thread here, I should go to the rink and start complaining that their pro shop is too expensive, and ice fees should be reduced on the grounds that "just because I own hockey equipment doesn't make me rich."

I'm sure that the 777 is a great product, But $90 is a lot of money......it's "so" good that money should not be able to buy it!

$50 maybe...Anyone else feel the same way?...........No

 

Maniac

For less than a hundred bucks you can get access to the closest thing to a real 777 as most of us will ever get. If that's too much then there are other 777 products you can buy. It's the same in almost every market. If you can't afford an iPad you can buy a tablet.

 

People don't always remember that, with the PMDG's plane, you get a whole lot more than what you see. Things don't behave the way they do because they're programmed to, but because the underlying system actually work to make them behave a certain way.

 

That and the huge licensing cost for them to give us the Boeing's FCOM

Jarhead, you're right. You don't have to fly 15 hour flights but the airplane was built for long haul. I think the shortest flight that British Airways Virtual ( one of the VA's I fly for) is 6 1/2 hours.

Good thing PMDG created the Auto Time Compression mode!  :wink:

Sorry 90$ is a bargain.

Don't apologize,

Just wanted to get some feedback before I purchased it...

Going to have to wait until xmas anyhow...

Look's like I started a firestorm though...

I have the 738 also and am looking forward to the reviews for the 777...

 

 

Maniac59