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Whew,... I have never met such a bunch of cry babies!!!

 

We ALL knew that PMDG is not licensed for P3d.But nooo, some of us went out anyway to buy it, found it did not work & blamed PMDG, LM & the ghost of Xmas past, & said 'we will never support LM/PMDG/Microsoft. Guys, dont try squeeze something in where it is not supposed to go! READ the EULA's for what you bought!!

 

I saw that the 777 was not licensed for P3d. I did not get onto the forums & cry. I got something else that would keep me busy with my training. If I REALLY wanted it, I will get it for my FSX. The world will still turn, the heavens will not open, & Tom will not need to moderate posts that (almost) advocate 'cracking'. For those that do not understand, I believe that means to get something working where it is not supposed to work, & probably brag about it in these forums.

 

Thanks Tom, for nipping things in the bud.

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Yes yes but I would just like to know WHY it is locked out of P3D.

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@Helo Head

 

P3D is a moving target, a 2.0 version is due out soon.  When this change occurs, who knows what will break inside the 777.  I am guessing that PMDG does not want to become accountable for fixing or re-testing the 777 every time the underlying simulator changes.

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Yes yes but I would just like to know WHY it is locked out of P3D.

There ya go. All over again.

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Its not 'locked" PMDG has not developed the 777 for P3d for the following reasons:

 

& from the PMDG page....

Please see the PMDG 777-200LR/F product page for more information on this simulation:

  • This is an FSX ONLY product.
  • This package is required to use any of the PMDG 777 series products.
  • You must have Flight Simulator X to install this product.
  • This product requires a live connection to the internet for installation.

Please see the PMDG 777-200LR/F product page for more information on this simulation:

 

It will not work.  Even if you can get it to work, it is not made for this purpose (and you'd be in violation of the EULA).

 

From:

Robert S. Randazzo coolcap.gif
Precision Manuals Development Group
http://www.precisionmanuals.com
who says....

" We've covered this a couple times- but those threads are probably pretty buried by now...

 

We are not planning to support retail customers using Prepar3d as a home simming platform.

 

We do have some commercial operators who will be licensing PMDG products on that platform, but this is not something the general simmer will have access to...

 

This decision was made because Prepar3d is not a home entertainment product, and their EULA is very specific as to the purposes for which the platform may be employed.  For liability purposes, we cannot support retail customers using a "retail only" PMDG product on a platform that is not licensed for retail use.

 

This topic tends to bring out emotional replies from folks who wish things were different- so I'm going to lock the thread-  but I did want you to have an answer! "

 

So there...'nuff said!

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Can't resist....

 

First off let's just start with the whole EULA thing. Lawsuits are expensive.

 

Second, support. Given the sheer amount of sales I'm sure the T7 is having, the level of support needed would only get more time-consuming catering to hacked in T7's to P3D.

 

Third. They are the front runners for FSX addons, the increased price will definitely offset those who are upset and refuse to purchase at launch, because eventually they will purchase it cause it's PMDG.

 

Now with that said, could they have prepared the community by putting a good foot forward and saying to P3D users it would not be compatible? I've heard the FS9/XPX compatible argument, but let's be realistic. I was curious if it would work with P3D or as I guessed it would be locked at the installer. PMDG is not the only addon maker who has done it, just they have the most rabid fan base. At the end of the day though, it's going to sell and sell well, so time to dust off that FSX.cfg.

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PMDG have stated that they will not support their products in P3D. There is a difference between not supporting and deliberatly engineering a product not to work in P3D. Was it really necessary to do the latter?

This is entirely PMDGs perogative of course but it is also one I look at when it comes to buying their products and the obvious limitations that come with that.

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Yes yes but I would just like to know WHY it is locked out of P3D.

Because it was designed only for FSX.  NOT FS9, NOT P3D, NOT Xplane, NOT Flightgear.  That's why!

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I re-installed FSX :-)  So damn simple!

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As soon as everyone drops fsx they will be there. FSX users are mozying over to p3d one at a time. It is an emotional decision :yahoo:

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I bought it also thinking it will work with the Migration Tool but no luck :(  so re-installed Stutters/BlurriesFSX :Just Kidding:  and i'm all good know.


As soon as everyone drops fsx they will be there. FSX users are mozying over to p3d one at a time. It is an emotional decision :yahoo:

I agree P3D runs great on my PC with FTXG and many many addons.  More people will come.

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PMDG from the very beginning posted their reasons for not supporting P3D at this time. That is their right  and their decision. Some people took it upon themselves to try to install their products into P3D anyway. They simply took steps to prevent this. I see nothing wrong at all.

 

Vic

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I bought it also thinking it will work with the Migration Tool but no luck :(  so re-installed Stutters/BlurriesFSX :Just Kidding:  and i'm all good know.

 

 

 

 

There is another way.

I will not come back to FSX after having experienced P3D so...

No P3D no party, I'll not buy the 777 and any product not working in P3D.

I'll fly with other vendors planes, and will continue to fly happy as I was up to now, before the 777 existed.

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Build it, and they will come!

 

Bob

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Who cares about moving forward with simulation technology, lets keep developing for a outdated platform.  The whole FSX vs P3D is like the A vs B argument on anet. Ill vote with my dollars and Ill support company's that develop for P3D. Fame Suit On!

 

CFI/CFII

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There is another way.

I will not come back to FSX after having experienced P3D so...

No P3D no party, I'll not buy the 777 and any product not working in P3D.

I'll fly with other vendors planes, and will continue to fly happy as I was up to now, before the 777 existed.

 

Exactly. As much as I like the NGX in FSX when P3D 2.0 is released if I can't run PMDG products in P3D then I won't purchase anymore of them.  There's plenty of other aircraft I can fly.

 

The A2A 172 looks good, iFly 737 + ORBX, Opus are in so who cares? Life goes on just find a different aircraft to fly.....there are plenty of them. Get in amongst the clouds and enjoy!

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Well, starting another thread on this topic just shows that drama queens can be on both sides of an argument.

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Six months from now this will all be completely irrelevant when a 64bit DX11 Prepar3D V2 is the widely used platform with home entertainment  EULA. It will be followed shortly by the top FSX addon's being converted to Prepar3D V2. Probably everything that ORBX does is already going to be supported by V2 along with many other devs. You cannot hold back the tide. I beat that the T7 and the NGX will be Prepar3D compatible with either free or low cost patch in the blink on an eye once the above falls into place.

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Nothing like planning ahead. Why not get the SDK and launch by the end of the year. It is not rocket science.

 

Bob

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Microsoft Flight Simulator is DEAD.  You can thank the greed and monopolistic thinking at Microsoft for that.

 

Long live Prepar3D.  A company that has flight in its DNA and the desire and resources to continue a legacy for whatever reason.

 

Creating an add-on for a DEAD product seems to run counter to any reasonable business decision.

 

P3D v2 will cost $200.  That seems like a lot of money until you think about it.  The last price for FSX was like $80 or some such thing.  Then you look at the soaring cost of add-ons.  $90 for the T7 for instance.  I am sure it is well worth it, as all of the other products from PMDG have been.  The point is, everything costs more now than when FSX was KILLED.

 

After MS killed off Flight Sim, for whatever reason, LM picked it up and made it better.  If they meant it to be a "Pro only" product it would cost thousands not a couple of hundred.  Version 2 is priced in two tiers.  Pro Plus, $2300.00 and Pro, $200.00.  This tells me that while they are dead set on a commercial flight sim, they have no intention of snubbing the home simmer.  Because, after all, pilots come from the home sim market.  From kids to retired guys with time and money to go fly for real.

 

So why on earth would you produce something for the DEAD FSX and NOT have it at least operational on alive and well P3D?  Oh, it might be different than FSX?  Hey, welcome to the real world.  There is one truth in this life, things change with time.  Get over it and get busy.  FS11 would most certainly have been different than FSX, so I think it is fair to say that P3D might have differences from FSX and for good reason.  FSX was not perfect.

 

Those that are hanging on to FSX will soon pay the price for that stagnation.  There will be products as incredible as the PMDG T7 for P3D, whether PMDG makes them or not.  The ever growing customer base will buy those products and continue to buy them as the P3D product continues to evolve, expand and increase in complexity.  The only evolution that can happen to FSX?  The Trash Can and those add-ons built exclusively for FSX will follow.

 

So I have to say that my dollars will go to those developers that create products for Prepar3D because P3D has a future and will continue to evolve into the next generation of simulation taking advantage of the ever improving OS and Hardware platforms coming.  Thanks for all your hard work PMDG, but I will wait for a Triple 7 built with the latest tech and not restricted by the Sim it is built for.

 

Tim R.

 

 

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