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Serious issue with ATI and Steves DX10 fix? Tears and Spikes everywhere

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Hello Avsim! I have spent the last....oh idk 234 straight hours of my life trying to resolve my tearing and spike issue with FSX (DX10).

 

First off...Clearly one can tell that Steves DX10 fix is a really good fix and I would recommend it to anyone because I'm sure this isn't happening to all of you happy users.

 

Lets begin....

 

One day I started to get tears and spikes while in DX10.....After a un believable amount of troubleshooting and testing I decided the only way to stop my tearing and spike issue in FSX was reinstalling it all over again (yes, with all my addons and hardware button mapping, FSUIPC, cam settings, weather settings etc...). My thought was to install one addon at a time until these badboys came out to play again. Of course I was hoping they wouldn't....but, they did.

 

Take a few minutes to hear my story because this bug may be breading like a mouse for ATI users.

 

First off my hardware and software:

(Alienware Aurora R4)

i7 3930k 3.2ghz (OC'd at 4.4) HT enabled

ATI Radeon 7970 3gb

16gbs of ram 

Win 7 Home Premium

ATI 13.4 driver

RadeonPro

 

My FSX.CGF changes (after trying 10000 options):

Highmemfix=1

WideViewAspect=True

ForceWindowedVsynce=1

TEXTURE_BANDWIDTH_MULT=40

 

My addons:

UTX

GEX

REX

ASE2012

Genises mesh

Magoisoft Shade

EZdock Cam

 

Folks, I have done everything. bios settings, bios upgrades/downgrades, GPU driver update/downgrade, OC settings, Cooling settings. Literally every possible option of tweaks in the FSX.cfg (including making a default one). CCC upgrade and downgrade, addon re-installs, CCC settings, RadeonPro settings, AA setings, MSI afterburn options, graphics options in FSX, traffic options, textures from GEX and ASE 2012 and to be honest, SO MUCH MORE that I won't waist your time with my list, just know it's not pretty.

 

I finally said thats enough and I reinstalled EVERY...single...thing.

 

So as I'm "revers engineering" my situation I keep in mind what I'm installing and testing FSX after every single install. Finally I come to Steves DX10 fix. I register it, run the installer and....(drum roll please) Tearing and spikes are back faster then a speeding bullet. So now that I see what's causing these at least I have a little better idea of what I should be doing....But I mean NOTHING......nothing at all has stopped these from showing.....a few minutes into every flight I get these spikes and tears especially on final. Funny thing is there is absolutely NO FPS DECREASE while these are happening...they just flicker and go crazy everywhere on my screen. Also my card isn't even being used a lot....or heating up along with my CPU.

 

My Radeon Pro settings are from this guid right here. I have done a numerous amount of FSX.CFG tweaks including bufferpools 1&0 reject thresholds and these are still here.

 

 

 

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I am willing to try just about anything to get these to leave. My sim is better than ever right now if it just wasn't for this bug.....Im getting a steady 30fps with the ATI DX10 guid up-top however, all this great sim experience is washed away with these spikes and tears. 

 

Any ideas gentlemen?

 

 

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ATI cards are not the best for FSX, that is said everywhere. Nvidia is teh only way for FSX.

 

 

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I am probably not the right person to respond since I do NOT have the expertise or high powered system you have.  I DO have an ATI Radeon card  7700 series. I had a small amount of these once and all I did was lower my priority setting by one notch. I can not run at Realtime and normally use Above Normal. I am using Steve's DX10 Scenery Fixer and I always fly in DX10 mode.

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ATI cards are not the best for FSX, that is said everywhere. Nvidia is teh only way for FSX.

Really? My 660ti sucked in FSX. Could not take heavy weather at big airports. My 7970 rocks FSX in DX9. The problem discussed here is DX10 mode is not playing nice.

 

If he moves to nvidia to fix DX10 here he'll need a GTX680. Which is fine too. Great card.

 

To the OP I went back to DX9. Experimenting still in DX10 and hope to find a fix.

 

C.

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Sometimes it's not the videocard. It could be something else.

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Could be a specific driver version problem. Update to latest, if already on latest, rollback with hope previous version will fix it.

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Could be a specific driver version problem. Update to latest, if already on latest, rollback with hope previous version will fix it.

I hope so....im on the way home to test different versions again....going to 13.1 and then 13.9.....hard to find a good rolledback official driver these days! Lol

 

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I had a small amount of these once and all I did was lower my priority setting by one notch.

 

Well, I need to withdraw my earlier statement. Even with the priority changes I made I am getting the artifacts as well. ATI card with the DX10 Scenery Fixer. I updated my driver but I am still getting them. My driver for the 7700 is 13.152.0.0, dated 8/30/2013.

 

I hope someone finds an answer or Steve get's us ATI users an update.

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Well, I need to withdraw my earlier statement. Even with the priority changes I made I am getting the artifacts as well. ATI card with the DX10 Scenery Fixer. I updated my driver but I am still getting them. My driver for the 7700 is 13.152.0.0, dated 8/30/2013.

 

I hope someone finds an answer or Steve get's us ATI users an update.

 

 

You should have knocked on wood :P ....I am sorry to hear that Road Worrior but welcome to the club!

I am going to install my original GPU drivers with my cards instal disc tonight when im home in about an hour. Lets keep in touch and share our tweaks and troubleshooting ideas. I hope Steve fixes this! 

 

Crossing fingers!

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Yep, reverting to DX9(using the DX10 Fixer) makes FSX work fine again, so this definitetly is a DX10 issue...Just done 4 flights in DX9 with no issue, tried DX10 and the graphics went ballistic again:-( 

 

Lets hope Steve finds the reason. 

 

Using 7970@1150 with 13.4 drivers...

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Exactly my hardware and version....im rolling back all the way to 13.1 in about half hr...ill keep u posted

 

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Ok, thnx, I'll be away hiking and fishing this weekend(2 hours from now:-)), no cellphone coverage or even electricity where I'm going, so no way to keep myself updated. Wish you the best of luck and crossing my fingers for a solution when I return on sunday:-)

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Sounds good! Hope u catch a big one! Ill be troubleshooting away! Cheers

 

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Yorgus, its hard to tell from your description what you did or how many times your tried to repeat it to rule out simple coincidence.

 

All the symptoms your report appear to be related to vertex buffer corruption between the FSX DX10 engine and the GPU. I.e the GPU is using either a corrupted vertex buffer or one that is being updated.

 

DX10SceneryFixer lacks any access to the graphics device from within FSX and on the GPU its only involvement is inside shaders which are tightly controlled and receive individual vertexes as inputs. Therefore it seems very unlikely to have anything to do with your issue.

 

The first thing to do would be to eliminate other factors that might effects the stability of your system such as OCs. Then make sure that you have disabled or removed any addons that are actually involved in the graphics APIs.

 

Go to this thread and make sure that you have no bits of EMB, FXAA or SweetFx installed.

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/422730-i-need-help-fsx-doesnt-start-in-dx10/#entry2816540

 

Then do a number if flights in DX10 Preview mode and assess the stability of the system.

 

Then install DX10Secenery Fixer and install the libraries but do not enable reflections or effects. Before running FSX deselect all 5 shaders (which means that there are no DX10SF modifications to shaders running on the GPU).

 

Carry out some flights to assess stability. If problems occur at this stage, the power the system off leave for a few minutes and power on and try the test again to rule out temperature, or effects involving the time the GPU has been running.

 

Then enable the shaders one at a time (so only one is enabled) and repeat the tests.

 

Then turn on all the shaders and test.

 

 

Then report back.

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Yorgus, its hard to tell from your description what you did or how many times your tried to repeat it to rule out simple coincidence.

 

All the symptoms your report appear to be related to vertex buffer corruption between the FSX DX10 engine and the GPU. I.e the GPU is using either a corrupted vertex buffer or one that is being updated.

 

DX10SceneryFixer lacks any access to the graphics device from within FSX and on the GPU its only involvement is inside shaders which are tightly controlled and receive individual vertexes as inputs. Therefore it seems very unlikely to have anything to do with your issue.

 

The first thing to do would be to eliminate other factors that might effects the stability of your system such as OCs. Then make sure that you have disabled or removed any addons that are actually involved in the graphics APIs.

 

Go to this thread and make sure that you have no bits of EMB, FXAA or SweetFx installed.

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/422730-i-need-help-fsx-doesnt-start-in-dx10/#entry2816540

 

Then do a number if flights in DX10 Preview mode and assess the stability of the system.

 

Then install DX10Secenery Fixer and install the libraries but do not enable reflections or effects. Before running FSX deselect all 5 shaders (which means that there are no DX10SF modifications to shaders running on the GPU).

 

Carry out some flights to assess stability. If problems occur at this stage, the power the system off leave for a few minutes and power on and try the test again to rule out temperature, or effects involving the time the GPU has been running.

 

Then enable the shaders one at a time (so only one is enabled) and repeat the tests.

 

Then turn on all the shaders and test.

 

 

Then report back.

 

Thank you very much for your help. You have no idea how much it means to have some assistance in this....It is taking over my life lol.

 

I just finished doing everything you have said....First with an uninstall and no overclocking.....with 2 driver versions.....tears, spikes and artifacts still there even with the fix uninstalled now.

 

I even uninstalled MSI Afterburn and only have RadeonPro now installed......I also tried a fresh FSX.CFG and nothing.... I also tried REX unchecking DX10 effects maybe do to some interference...is there anything else I can do :( ? I have done literally every possible troubleshoot POSSIBLE.....maybe you can tell me some directories that I should make sure that no interference is being created...

 

I did however have Magoisoft Shader installed.  I uninstalled it but maybe there is some spill over on some files? Thats all i can pretty much think of.....

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Really? My 660ti sucked in FSX. Could not take heavy weather at big airports. My 7970 rocks FSX in DX9. The problem discussed here is DX10 mode is not playing nice.

 

If he moves to nvidia to fix DX10 here he'll need a GTX680. Which is fine too. Great card.

 

To the OP I went back to DX9. Experimenting still in DX10 and hope to find a fix.

 

C.

 

Agree.

 

In DX9 I am getting dream performance from my 7850 2GB; it really is an awesome card in DX9;  no slow down in clouds, it laughs at high AA settings, and it has no problems with BP=0 on my system............. but..... all the above applies to DX9.  

 

Where DX10 is concerned; I too got to the point of pulling my hair out, after getting Steve's excellent DX10 Fixer and being determined to get things cooking in DX10.         But it gets to the point of thinking;  you know what?  this is supposed to be about enjoyment, a hobby.   And also thinking, if DX9 is running this well (PMDG T7 at OMDB with high settings, 45 FPS and no OOMs), why go through the pain, just to say you have DX10.

 

When I got the DX10 Fixer initially, I did get some amazing results with lighter-resource (frame rate friendly) aircraft....  but I am not prepared to keep swapping back and forward, and DX10 with ATI and complex add-ons could not even get close to the performance of DX9.

 

Perhaps ATI cards just aren't cut out for DX10.       But it is possible to get great results, performance and visuals with DX9 and ATI. 

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I hope so....im on the way home to test different versions again....going to 13.1 and then 13.9.....hard to find a good rolledback official driver these days! Lol

 

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EDIT -> I missed Steve's response above. I'll leave my reply in tact anyway.

 

In DX9, 13.9 and 13.10 will FETAL ERROR on EXIT with FSX. I have reported this to AMD through their driver feedback system. 13.10 BETA seemed fine in DX10 and I could EXIT FSX no problem but in DX9. Splat. Faulting Module is an ATI file I cant remember the name of. Copied and pasted the error details for AMD support. Not sure they will do anything for FSX right away. So for DX9 I am back to 13.4.

 

I still need to test DX10 mode without Steve's DX10 tool installed to ensure this is not a shader in his Fixer that is being naughty with ATI and second... What about dropping my CPU clock to 4.0. Spikes for me in the past were always related to CPU pushing too hard up my GPU's Wazzoooo! However. BP=0 is really cool in DX9 with 7900 series cards! As smooth as DX10 all day long and I get no spikes.

 

Another test is 13.10 BETA driver in DX10. Will it still get spikes?

 

NOTE: When going back and forth with drivers... Use the AMD Catalyst tool in the Control Panel Programs and choose complete uninstall all AMD products and then restart. Then install the new driver. Best practice.

 

Away this weekend so cant test myself for now.

 

Charles.

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Agree.

 

In DX9 I am getting dream performance from my 7850 2GB; it really is an awesome card in DX9;  no slow down in clouds, it laughs at high AA settings, and it has no problems with BP=0 on my system............. but..... all the above applies to DX9.  

 

Where DX10 is concerned; I too got to the point of pulling my hair out, after getting Steve's excellent DX10 Fixer and being determined to get things cooking in DX10.         But it gets to the point of thinking;  you know what?  this is supposed to be about enjoyment, a hobby.   And also thinking, if DX9 is running this well (PMDG T7 at OMDB with high settings, 45 FPS and no OOMs), why go through the pain, just to say you have DX10.

 

When I got the DX10 Fixer initially, I did get some amazing results with lighter-resource (frame rate friendly) aircraft....  but I am not prepared to keep swapping back and forward, and DX10 with ATI and complex add-ons could not even get close to the performance of DX9.

 

Perhaps ATI cards just aren't cut out for DX10.       But it is possible to get great results, performance and visuals with DX9 and ATI. 

 

Truth is that ATI cards are great in DX10 .... in other titles. And DX11 as well. I know because I play other games with ATI no problem. But my main thing is FSX. This could be something to do with forcing Super Sample AA with FSX's DX10 engine. Hard to say.

 

And testing continues... But when I do fly to fly, I fly in DX9.

 

DX11 mode with P3D 2.0 should be interesting. Wonder if that will gong out.

 

C.

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I also have this issue with a 79703gb saphire 1050mhz edition. I am not saying that i dont have this issue anymore but i have not had it since i deleted the treshold and autogen and trees pr cell and using bufferpools=0. DENCE Autogen tbm=120 lod 4.5 ccc 13.4. I can send my fsx.cfg on sunday if you like.

 

Michael Moe

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I also have this issue with a 79703gb saphire 1050mhz edition. I am not saying that i dont have this issue anymore but i have not had it since i deleted the treshold and autogen and trees pr cell and using bufferpools=0. DENCE Autogen tbm=120 lod 4.5 ccc 13.4. I can send my fsx.cfg on sunday if you like.

 

Michael Moe

Please!

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Micheal Moore,

 

Did you install Steves DX10 Fix?

 

Or generally in DX 10 does this happen to you?

 

 

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PMDG T7 at OMDB with high settings, 45 FPS and no OOMs

Umm....mind if i have a look at ur settings? Or simply tell me some RadeonPro settings and other settings/tweaks that got you there....id get over DX10 a lot faster if i could get a constant 45frames in that area with maxed out stuff.....UTX, GEX, REX, Genisis Meshes aswell etc

 

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Micheal Moore,Did you install Steves DX10 Fix?Or generally in DX 10 does this happen to you?Sent from SGH-I747M

 

I have the fixer . I dont think i remember when it started but i think it was before the fixer. Had the problem on first flight with the 777

 

Michael

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Umm....mind if i have a look at ur settings? Or simply tell me some RadeonPro settings and other settings/tweaks that got you there....id get over DX10 a lot faster if i could get a constant 45frames in that area with maxed out stuff.....UTX, GEX, REX, Genisis Meshes aswell etc

 

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I have the same cpu is impossible with all the controls to the maximum to get 45 FPS constant, I have it bound at 27 and is very fluid my GPU is ATI 6990 4 gb

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