November 18, 201312 yr You can see a very steep angle of attack just before impact: Matthew Kane I'm Dyslexic, what's an error to you is not to me
November 18, 201312 yr Moderator HOLY SMOKE! I suppose that straight down vertical descent could be considered "very steep..." :Shocked: Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
November 18, 201312 yr Yes, I think once your in the realm of a vertical drop like that, you're beyond any angle of attack. So sad - I find something very painful about watching the moment that a lot of people lost their life. I personally feel I am taking some dignity away from those people and their loved ones; once the moment of their death becomes 'public footage'. That's just my own feelings, and I'm not judging anyone.
November 19, 201312 yr Angle of attack? That a nose dive. I noticed the debris field was just tiny pieces.
November 19, 201312 yr What a shame. My wishes to those who have lost loved ones in this crash. FSX: PMDG 744/MD11/JS41/736/737/738/739, CS752/753/763/C130, SimCheck A300, Leonardo MD82, MJC DH8D, Aerosoft CRJ7/CRJ9/A318/A319/A320/A321, RAZBAM Metroliner, ORBX Global, FlyTampa KBUF/OMDB/TNCM/VHHX, ActiveSky Next DCS: A-10C II/F-16C/AH-64D/F-15E/KA-50 III/Mi-24/Persian Gulf/Syria/F-15C XP11: FF 752/753, iniBuilds A306, HotStart TBM900 MSFS: Fenix A320, FS2Crew Fenix A320, FS2Crew Pushback Express, PMDG B77W, ActiveSky FS, Drzewiecki Design UUEE
November 19, 201312 yr What on earth caused this? ATP MEL,CFI,CFII,MEI. Type Ratings B-737, ERJ-190,ERJ-170
November 19, 201312 yr Man, there are cameras everywhere nowadays. Seeing this graphic footage reminds me of the dashcam video of that National 747-400 BCF that stalled on takeoff in Iraq a few months ago. It's a very disturbing thing to see, my condolences to the families of the victims. A.J. Domingo
November 19, 201312 yr Not going to watch, stomach doesn't like stuff like this. Any word of a cause?
November 20, 201312 yr The Aviation Safety Network has some details, one that the aircraft pitched up to 25 degrees on the go around attempt. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20131117-0 Marty Becker PPL - Instrument Rating
November 21, 201312 yr The Aviation Safety Network has some details, one that the aircraft pitched up to 25 degrees on the go around attempt. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20131117-0 Is that enough to stall a 737? I mean he wasn't very heavy with only 50 PAX and was about to land so fuel weight shouldn't have been alot ATP MEL,CFI,CFII,MEI. Type Ratings B-737, ERJ-190,ERJ-170
November 21, 201312 yr Author There are so many things that could have contributed to this you couldn't make out what could have happened from that video. The experts are going to have to take a year or more to put that puzzle together. I agree it is difficult to watch as well. Air New Zealand uses the 737-300 which I do get to fly on quite often. I trust those airplanes so it is unfortunate to see a similar model aircraft crash like that. Matthew Kane I'm Dyslexic, what's an error to you is not to me
November 21, 201312 yr Commercial Member Is that enough to stall a 737? I mean he wasn't very heavy with only 50 PAX and was about to land so fuel weight shouldn't have been alot It could have been spatial disorientation, some of the things reported so far would indicate that, during the time of go around visibility wasn't that good. Maybe the pilots accidentally let the nose rise too high up and then started to compensate for it by pushing the nose back down & got disorientated and pushed the plane into dive. I see this accident to have some similarities with Afriqiyah Airways flight 771 where pilots got disorientated after go around in bad visibility and did more or less that.
November 21, 201312 yr Yes, I think once your in the realm of a vertical drop like that, you're beyond any angle of attack. It's perfectly possible to be in a vertical drop with an angle of attack of 0. AoA is just the angle between the chord line of your wing and the incoming airstream velocity vector after all. Not going to watch, stomach doesn't like stuff like this. Any word of a cause? The investigation is still ongoing, so it's a bit early for that. However there have been some preliminary statements by the Interstate Aviation Comission that suggest the pilots may have overcompensated for the strong pitch up. John-Alan Pascoe
November 21, 201312 yr FScamp, on 21 Nov 2013 - 12:44 AM, said: It could have been spatial disorientation, some of the things reported so far would indicate that, during the time of go around visibility wasn't that good. Maybe the pilots accidentally let the nose rise too high up and then started to compensate for it by pushing the nose back down & got disorientated and pushed the plane into dive. I see this accident to have some similarities with Afriqiyah Airways flight 771 where pilots got disorientated after go around in bad visibility and did more or less that. In low visibility why not use the autopilot? Something else is at play here, something in the line of what happened to Continental Express Flight 2574: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeWHvVVsGH4' FS2020 Alienware Aurora R11 10th Gen Intel Core i7 10700F - Windows 11 Home 32GB Ram NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super OC 16GB - Pimax Crystal Light VR
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