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I am new to the forum so don't know if this question has been asked already or not , Will PMDG be making any Airbus (like A380) for FSX ? 

 

 

Not in the foreseeable future.

 

(In the "un-foreseeable" future: Maybe. But probably not, either.  )

 

 

why can't PMDG(only god knows, my guess is greed )

 

It has been said here many times. It is a legal issue, not greed.

 

If you fail to understand the fact that PMDG is unlike any other company in that they have relationships with Boeing and others on a level unseen anywhere else. If you were in their position, would you risk all that for a couple notoriously unsatisfied people?

 

 

Nothing prevents them from releasing them even for free under a different license.....

 

Will you provide the legal services needed for free? Will you pay for their liability insurance, which might be needed? Will you pay for the difference in license fees for Boeing, which will in all likelihood go up (since they will no longer be licensing for an entertainment product, rather for something else, educational product, maybe?). Well, if not, then I don't know who is the greedy one here.

 

 

 

So I see no reason for them to charge us buckloads of money for a product that's essentially the same as they released for FSX, under a different banner....

 

Sure, and a private pilot with 300 hours is essentially the same as an ATPL(F) holder with 300 hours, so why won't you pay the PPL guy to fly you around?

 

 

 

In the end their marked on P3Dv2 would most likely be us home simmers just as before, but this time they will make alot more money of it. Mr Randazzo would probably go laughing all the way to the bank, because we are stupid enough to buy those pro licences.. Well I ain't gonna be that stupid, I rather live without PMDG products on P3Dv2..

 

In the end, all you show with your post is an incredible amount of willfull ignorance and, I will say, some amount of unwarranted self-importance.

Yeah, your right and I'm wrong offcourse. Im just an unimportant customer who give my unimportant view on the whole matter. ^_^

Enjoy paying buckloads of money for something you already paid for , your choice, my choice is too not do that. Have a nice day:)

This time I agree with you, you are wrong. I admit I had a good laugh when you said you stopped buying form PMDG after their P3D announcement, very noble and brave of you. Of course they haven't actually sold anything new since then so you haven't actually missed much, but it is the thought that counts. Speaking of thought, what did you think you were buying? I ask because when you say you "paying buckloads of money for something you already paid for" that only realy happens when you screw up the online order process. If you accidentally did this then just send a polite note to their helpdesk and I am sure they will help you out. 

My sim is where my planes are in. That's FSX, currently.

 

Buckloads of money not required. Loads of fun: yes, with no *additional* expenses.

 

 

Does Boing have anything to say how much they charge for the "new" licensed products?

 

Yes and no.  Boeing doesn't tell them how much to price their add ons, but Boeing dictates the use of their data.  If you use it for Purpose A, you pay $X; if you use it for Purpose B, you pay $Y.

 

It's pretty standard all over the world.  Heck, you don't need to look any further than Google maps.

 

Want to use their API to include Google Maps in your free app?  Sure, go right ahead.  It's free.

Want to use their API to include Google Maps in your commerical app?  You can deliver your money to Google, 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway Mountain View, CA 94043 (in all actuality, their fee for the use of the API isn't terrible, which is why so many use it).

 

Same thing goes for Boeing, and thousands of other companies:

As soon as you change from one realm to a commercial one, you're going to pay a hefty amount for it.  Why?  Commerical generally means you're in it to make a lot of money.  If that's the case, the company giving you a license wants in on that money too.

 

Ever wonder why companies offer student discounts on their software?

I got Adobe CS2 (Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, GoLive - haha, Bridge and Acrobat Pro) in college for $222.

Adobe Photoshop CS2 went for about $1000 retail alone at the time.

 

Why?

 

The student discount version wasn't for commerical use.

The commercial version allowed commercial use, and Adobe wanted some of that revenue that you were going to be pulling in.

Gents-

 

I just dumped a bunch of you out of this conversation because you failed to sign your posts as required under the forum requirements posted here.

 

One of you even took a hefty ban for a combination of dishonest/abusive commentary and failure to sign.

 

Don't let this be you...  Set up a signature for your forum posts- and that way I don't have to troll around randomly smacking you on the top of the head...

Gents-

 

A couple of things:

 

1) I made a dozen or so posts in this thread disappear because they are unsigned.  Really folks- I recognize that we only implemented this rule fifteen years ago- but you still have to comply. 

 

2) PMDG is not leaving FSX development, nor are we leaving the sim development community. Please stomp that type of poppycock out when you see it.  It just isn't a consideration.

 

3) I've seen a few folks express dismay that their license is not universal across platforms. This is something that will be a factor no matter what happens because we have to pay for data to make these products.  The cost to purchase data for an entertainment product is miniscule compared to the costs of the license to make an educational and training product.  Why?  Because that is the way the real world works...  So we will wind up passing those costs along.

 

Additionally- it is worth considering:  If we are going to move a product to a new platform, we are doing so at our expense.  It is expensive to bring in Xplane enabled coders, P3D enabled coders and to have folks working toward pushing out products on those platforms.  I know that many of our customers have to make tough choices with their simming dollars- and this is why we remain fully committed to the simming community and it is why we are moving in the direction of offering a range of choices.  You will be able to choose the products that best apply to your needs...

 

And don't forget:  We all started out as simmers too...

 

We are a big part of this community- and this communiyty is a big part of PMDG.  That is far more important than you realize!

 

 

Well said Robert - as this should help people understand that an additional cost is for good reason and I for one have been very happy with the price of your products - worth every penny and I am sure whatever pans out with P3D Your prices will be fair as possible like it always has been - Great explanation

Some simmers need a reality check as I believe they simply do not understand the real world. I won't copy what has already been posted, but I am not sure where this idea of a continuous line of discounts etc. comes from?

 

Come into the real world, where you pay the going price - real world nav data for real world aircraft, maintenance, parts etc. Jeppesen won't give you discounts because you've been a loyal customer - you pay what they charge, take it or leave it.

 

If you want to play in whatever pool you're wanting to play in, then you pay the going price. No one is making you, but YOU decide whether it is worth it, don't go belly aching about it being unfair. Generally, life is unfair - get used to it.

Some necropost, open a 4 month old thread to quote a 9 month post.

Some necropost, open a 4 month old thread to quote a 9 month post.

 

Gosh Peter...you're so mean. I mean, clearly the person who would create a signature like the one you're using is just out to get people... 

 

 

I mean, clearly the person who would create a signature like the one you're using is just out to get people... 

 

Good thing I didn't create it then, eh?

Some necropost, open a 4 month old thread to quote a 9 month post.

 

     and I'm sure he read the entire thread - without the part of "you need to sign your post"

Good thing I didn't create it then, eh?

 

Yeah. I heard the guy who made it is somewhat insufferable...

Thank you for your input. Some people see things differently than others. As you say, get used to it.  It's no reason become offensive.

No offence intended. I am just simply amazed at the constant naive demands or requests for discounts. In fact it should be considered that the "entertainment" titles for FSX are remarkably low priced for the product you receive, which is professional grade yet people still complain that it is too expensive. P3D enters a new commercial domain and you have to pay for it - simple.