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Whats the lowest frame-rate you could live with?

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I was just watching various videos, and noticing that for every super-rig I see that runs things smoothly, there are probably 10 other vids from "normal" people with hitches, glitches and frame rates that make me twitch a bit :lol: and would probably drive me crazy. (or at least into an upgrade frenzy)

 

And of course not everyone here is running a super rig. In fact I suspect most probably are not!

 

I just wonder what the majority would consider the lowest frame rate (guest starring the famous twins, stutter and lag) they could possibly tolerate for how they use their various sims without going insane?

 

I wont post any videos demonstrating what i'm saying, cause that would just be mean. (and not the real point)  :lol:

 

I'm just curious.

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I think about 10 FPS is as low as I'd want to go, as long as it was stutter free.  I remember at one point thinking that you can land a fixed wing plane at 8 FPS, but that's not enough for a helicopter.

 

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30 is the lowest with zero stutters, hense why I stuck with fs9 for so long. I see videos

on YouTube with awful performance yet comments saying 'wow, what are you specs!'

 

Only recently I have been able to achieve the same sort of performance with FSX. Am yet to install the PMDG 777, if the fps is bad I'll study it on the ground and continue flying FS9

 

Flying has to be silky smooth or it's a no go for me.

30 is the lowest with zero stutters, hense why I stuck with fs9 for so long. I see videos

on YouTube with awful performance yet comments saying 'wow, what are you specs!'

 

Only recently I have been able to achieve the same sort of performance with FSX. Am yet to install the PMDG 777, if the fps is bad I'll study it on the ground and continue flying FS9

 

Flying has to be silky smooth or it's a no go for me.

 

I made a quick and dirty tech support vid a while back, no

Fraps, just smooth fps.. Praying my rig will handle the T7 as smoothly

 

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I rate my FPS over eyecandy, im probably one of few that actually does, At the moment im flying xplane exclusively and i have my fps locked at 60 with my refreshrate. Never have i experienced such butter smooth gauges and motion, i couldnt go back to 25 30 fps in fsx again...

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15 is ok in fsx in dx 10 its more smooth with 15 than it is in dx9

Anything lower than 30 is annoying; occasional drops from 30 down to 25 or so I can tolerate, once below that it's irritating.  Funny to think how content I was in 2006 with a locked 20 fps in FSX.

 

I think about 10 FPS is as low as I'd want to go, as long as it was stutter free.

Um...how would that be possible..stutter free 10 FPS?  When I see solid a 10 FPS I see a stuttering mess, but that's me.

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As long as it isn't a slide show. Of course, when I install my Telefunkin U-47, framerates will be a moot point...

 

To quote (and to ask) Devon,

 

"I just wonder what Devon would consider the lowest frame rate (guest starring the famous twins, stutter and lag) he could possibly tolerate for how he uses the various sims without going insane?"

 

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As long as it isn't a slide show. Of course, when I install my Telefunkin U-47, framerates will be a moot point...

 

To quote (and to ask) Devon,

 

"I just wonder what Devon would consider the lowest frame rate (guest starring the famous twins, stutter and lag) he could possibly tolerate for how he uses the various sims without going insane?"

 

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I didn't want to contaminate the question by giving a baseline.....  ^_^ 

 

I would say 20 and above with no glitches or stuttering. Currently I run Xplane 10 at extreme settings and have New York running at about 25 FPS on the theory that no place else in the sim will be as demanding.

 

But 20 in X-Plane and 20 in FSX are very different animals. 20 in X-Plane 10 is very smooth. 20 on FSX is barely tolerable, so I would say 30 for FSX

 

Overall I'm most happy with 30 and above for both sims. (which is what I have in X-Plane except over places like New York, and since I am running at 16x AA its hard to expect much more....)

 

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See now it's pictures like that ^ which make me want to move to XPX so bad.

Then I open the notepad file which I've stored my FSX purchase history in, and tabulate the total cost of addons over the years... 

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There are a lot of things that affect how I see framerates. For instance, when banking, both sims can judder slightly at lower frames and I hate that. I'm super-sensitive to smoothness variations. Tearing frames is why I can also never turn off V-sync. Even if the tearing is very slight it drives me mad after a while....

 

Watching Youtube vids where it seems I can almost count the individual frames will make me switch to a different video, even if the one I was watching was otherwise very good.  :unsure:

We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically.
 
Devons rig
Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB /  1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe /  1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5

It seems I have low expectations. I'm pretty happy with 10FPS on my computer for FSX. It gets a bit rough but still bearable for me.

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Luke Bischoff

I don't mind 10, as long as I don't need to react quickly (e.g. on approach). But since I got rid of lots of addons and switched to DX10, I never really get below 20.

Florian

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Devon,

 

No maliciousness, bad thoughts or 'Forum Bull' tendencies intended or implied... I was just curious what your ideal framerate was.

 

With the Specs I have for my computer, my choices for add on Airports (the big ones) stay at the Default ones! I do have to be somewhat selective with my Airplane choices.

 

Based on previous Comments, I always thought FS Videos were a bit misleading because with all of the editing software out there, it's hard to tell if what you're seeing is actually the case.

 

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