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Is it safe to switch off the following Areas in scenery.cfg depending on where you're flying? They are:

 

 

[Area.099]
Title=Africa
Local=Scenery\AFRI
Layer=99
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.100]
Title=Asia
Local=Scenery\ASIA
Layer=100
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.101]
Title=Australia
Local=Scenery\AUST
Layer=101
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.102]
Title=Eastern Europe
Local=Scenery\EURE
Layer=102
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.103]
Title=Western Europe
Local=Scenery\EURW
Layer=103
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.104]
Title=Central North America
Local=Scenery\NAMC
Layer=104
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.105]
Title=Eastern North America
Local=Scenery\NAME
Layer=105
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.106]
Title=Western North America
Local=Scenery\NAMW
Layer=106
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.107]
Title=Oceania
Local=Scenery\OCEN
Layer=107
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.108]
Title=South America
Local=Scenery\SAME
Layer=108
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.109]
Title=Oshkosh Aerial Photo
Local=Scenery\Cities\Oshkosh
Layer=109
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.110]
Title=St. Maarten
Local=Scenery\Cities\StMaarten
Layer=110
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.111]
Title=Rio de Janeiro
Local=Scenery\Cities\Rio
Layer=111
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.112]
Title=Las Vegas
Local=Scenery\Cities\LasVegas
Layer=112
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.116]
Title=Reno
Local=Scenery\Cities\Reno
Layer=116
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.117]
Title=Istanbul
Local=Scenery\Cities\Istanbul
Layer=117
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.118]
Title=Longleat
Local=Scenery\Cities\Longleat
Layer=118
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.119]
Title=Berlin
Local=Scenery\Cities\Berlin
Layer=119
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.120]
Title=Edwards_AFB
Local=Scenery\Cities\Edwards_AFB
Layer=120
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.122]
Title=UT Exclusions For Default Scenery
Local=Scenery\UtExcl
Layer=122
Active=TRUE
Required=FALSE
 
[Area.123]
Title=UT Usa Lighting
Local=Scenery\UtUsaLights
Layer=123
Active=True
Required=FALSE
 
 
Thanks,
Dirk.
 
 

 

 

 

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I've unchecked all but North America with no problems. It's the only place I fly.

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I've unchecked all but North America with no problems. It's the only place I fly.

 

So there's no reason to think that some of the same stock bgls can be jointly used in diffirent geographical regions?

 

Thanks,

Dirk.

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Dirk, there is a  good utility called Scenry Config Editor, by Andrew Thornton, which is free. I use it all the time especially when switching in and out megascenery, and areas I don't plan on flying all the time. It has worked with no problems on my system.

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Sorry, I can't answer that one, but Carl has the best suggestion. Try that Scenery Config Editor.

 

 

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If you use ai, you should at least leave the default scenery regions active so your ai has somewhere to land. Otherwise, you're fine to deactivate anything you want. Default scenery regions have no overlap.

I agree that scenery config editor is a wonderful program that will be a great help to you if you plan on changing scenery options regularly.

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Is it safe to switch off the following Areas in scenery.cfg depending on where you're flying?

 

 

Why would you want to do that? Switching off default areas more than likely won't improve performance or increase your VAS overhead. The things that DO help are turning off photoreal areas when your not using them or flying over them since they load no matter where in the world you are. Default areas just use part of FSXs library of ground textures and shouldn't cause and increase in VAS or decrease in performance. Some people like to turn off addon airports they are not using for the areas they are flying in, but unless those airports include a bunch of photoreal ground textures like photo scenery, doing that probably wont make a lot of difference either.

 

Try what you want by disabling all the default areas and see if you can tell any difference. You can always turn them back on.

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I've used Scenery Config Edtior since time out of mind, so I was mostly curious about possible effect of turning off the bgl files in stock areas. I understand from ematheson I better don't touch them for possible AI confilicts. I don't use photoscenery, so I can turn off some of the stock ones and the addon airports I'm not using in a specific flight.

 

Thanks,

Dirk.

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On the note of using SCE, has anyone found a good process for handling the Orbx sceneries using this tool? I have found when adding new Orbx scenery it tends to mess the order of the list up (it loses the groups) in SCE. Just curious?

 

thx in advance,

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On the note of using SCE, has anyone found a good process for handling the Orbx sceneries using this tool? I have found when adding new Orbx scenery it tends to mess the order of the list up (it loses the groups) in SCE. Just curious?

 

thx in advance,

I'm curious about this also. And it's not only when adding new regions, but even when changing the regions using FTX Central (i.e. North America to Asia).

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The things that DO help are turning off photoreal areas when your not using them or flying over them since they load no matter where in the world you are.

Sorry but this doesn't make any sense.

 

Some people have hundreds of GB of photo scenery. There is no mathematical way that it all gets loaded.

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Sorry but this doesn't make any sense.

 

Some people have hundreds of GB of photo scenery. There is no mathematical way that it all gets loaded.

 

But there is empirical evidence that a growing chunk of it clutters VAS until FSX CTDs. Function of the time flying.

 

Dirk.

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But there is empirical evidence that a growing chunk of it clutters VAS until FSX CTDs. Function of the time flying.

 

Dirk.

Might be, but if it loads all of it FSX would OOM before it ever starts.

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All photoscenery loads whether you use it or not. If you just have GB photoscenery, then you should be okay. But, if you have photoscenery in Germany or Europe, the USA and ASIA, then it is best it be disabled if it is not part of your flight plan. I have photoscenery for every state in the United States and I can guarantee you that it will cause an OOM and/or slowdown FSX to a crawl if all of it is enabled at one time. Information about this can be found in the AVSIM CTD Guide, the AVSIM FSX Configuration Guide, and the PMDG explanation of OOM's - http://support.precisionmanuals.com/kb/a108/vas-management-stopping-out-of-memory-oom-errors.aspx.

 

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Sorry but this doesn't make any sense.

 

Some people have hundreds of GB of photo scenery. There is no mathematical way that it all gets loaded.

Yes it does. Read Jim's reply above mine. Test it your self and you'll see. For example I have some MegaScenery Earth SoCal, Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson area, Dallas, Seattle and New York. If I leave them all enabled then position my a/c in the center of the US, then go to Top Down view and start zoming out until I can see the whole US, I can visibly see all those photoscenery area from space. They dont load and unload like airport sceneries do, hence the reason they take up more memory than using the stock, GEX, or Orbx Global repetative ground textures.

 

This has been proven time and time again. In fact Ryan(Tabs) from PMDG did a long write up on this sometime ago whena user was complaining that he could only get about 10 minutes into a flight befrom he would OOM. After Ryan had done a one on one trouble shooting session with him it turned out that hehad tons of US photoreal installed and active. Once he disabled the vast majority of it he was then able to complete his flights with no OOMs.

 

It's your choice if you want to believe me or other people who say this but it's a true and proven fact. It's just the way FSX handles photoscenery.

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Might be, but if it loads all of it FSX would OOM before it ever starts.

 

Who said it loads "all of it" at once? Where did you get it from?

 

Dirk.

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Hi Dirk,

It's probably from post #7 in this thread where it's written "The things that DO help are turning off photoreal areas when your not using them or flying over them since they load no matter where in the world you are".

Jim F.

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Photo textures do load and increase VAS even if you do not fly over them unlike airport sceneries.

 

To the OP, take a look at SIMSTARTER, it is a very versatile program that allows you to set up different profiles for different aircraft. If you have a Cessna that you want to fly low and slow, you can set a profile to config FSX for better scenery, such as a higher LOD, more local airports and high quality scenery. If you want to fly a 777 for a few hours then you can set it to lower the LOD, only loads the departure, arrival and alternate airport, flying at 30,000 ft plus means that the scenery can be lower quality. All this is done automatically for you when you start the sim. You can have up to 8 profiles for different aircrafts, all with different fsx.cfg files, scenery files and other tweaks.

 

It also has a some nice extra features such as exporting a KMZ file of installed airports on Google Earth, especially good if you have a large collection of airports and the ability to start extra programs such as EFB, MCE, TrackIR or other programs that run outside of FSX.

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Hi,

I've always assumed that FSX builds a scenery database and loads (into RAM) scenery that's in close proximity to the aircraft.  As stated in this thread that is not the case with photoscenery.  As I don't have large areas of photoscenery I have no way of verifying this .  In a thread in a different forum I made a request to have someone evaluate this by following a procedure I suggested and didn't receive any definitive feedback.  

Here's what I suggested: "In a flight and in an area with photoscenery, right-click on the screen and click on Air Traffic. Select an aircraft and see if the scenery is loaded or takes time to load. Next press whatever button you have to select next in category. My guess is that there will be noticeable time for the scenery to load. I don't have large areas of photoscenery so I don't have any way to verify this."

If someone here with large amounts of photoscenery could try this and note any delay in the terrain being loaded.  Any delay would indicate that, in fact, the photoscenery is not loaded.

Jim F.

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FSX handles different scenery in different ways.

 

Photo scenery basically overwrites the world ground textures, which FSX loads on start. It does not distinguish between local and non local ground textures, it just see's the world as a whole. This can be seen when you change to a top down view and zoom out. This is why photo scenery uses up VAS memory when you are not even near. You may be sat at Heathrow airport but have photo scenery in the USA loaded.

 

Airports and AI aircraft spawn when they are close to you. Airports will load only if you fly in the vicinity of them, it does not matter how high you are, it will load because FSX wants it there is case you look. If you have a flight over a lot of land then it will load a lot of airports. This is not a problems with FSX default airports as they are low textures and often consist a runway and a few buildings. The bigger problem is with high definition airports and also airports that have landclass or extra scenery.

 

All this would not have been a problem with the future in mind, however FSX was built with backward compatibility, built on a long line of Microsoft flight simulators, when PC's was powerful having 512mb of memory and 32mb graphic cards. Microsoft did not build FSX with the ability to clear memory very well as nobody thought the VAS limit would be a problems, in fact this is a fairly new FSX problems as hardware as overtaken. A few years ago people was asking on how to get good frame rates, trying to get the best out of FSX.

 

So basically, turn off any scenery that you are not using for your flight and let FSX revert back to default. If you fly a tubeliner then turn off airports and scenery you will pass and not look at. If you fly a Cessna then turn off scenery on countries you will not fly at.

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Hi Dirk,

It's probably from post #7 in this thread where it's written "The things that DO help are turning off photoreal areas when your not using them or flying over them since they load no matter where in the world you are".

Jim F.

 

Jim, the key word was "at once" in context of the previous few posts before mine.

 

Cheers,

Dirk.

 

To the OP, take a look at SIMSTARTER, it is a very versatile program that allows you to set up different profiles for different aircraft. 

 

Normally I don't launch FSX without GoFSX, so it sounds like I should try SIMSTARTER as well.

 

Thanks,

Dirk.

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