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Which Heathrow scenery should I get?

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Right now I am using a old Heathrow scenery that does not have the newer terminal 2, so now I am looking to upgrade Heathrow. But which scenery should I get? The Aerosoft version which just came out a few days ago? Or the UK2000 version?

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I also would like opinions - I own the Sim-wings Heathrow which performs very well on my computer, and includes T5.

 

What do the newer sceneries offer? It seems a pity that there would be such duplication of effort, when there are other FS9 sceneries not done...  

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A friend who has both Aerosoft Heathrow Xtreme and UK2000 EGLL says he gets better fps with the Aerosoft version. The amount of detail is also very similar.

 

I went from Aerosoft Heathrow v1 to Xtreme and there is certainly a fps improvement.

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I had used the UK2000 version since it came out and then switched to Sim-Wings (Aerosoft) version once it was released.

 

Performance-wise they are, in my reception, similar, which means acceptable with some compromises. Since they are both depictions of Heathrow, Europe's largest airport lying in the London area (full of airports, traffic, buildings, etc), it is not possible to get very good performance, at least on an average computer. Don't expect huge changes in FPS/VAS after switching from one to another.

 

Visually I value the Sim-Wings version more. It is newer and fresher and, in my view, has better textures. Additionally there is quite a lot happening behind the airport's fences. However the SW version tends to have some problems displaying particular ground texture tiles, which first show as black and then pop up correctly. That probably is due to my not-top-notch rig and the above mentioned heaviness of the area to display.

 

All in all I prefer the Sim-Wings version, though I wouldn't say it leaves the UK2000 one very far behind.

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I heard a lot of good things about Aerosoft Heathrow Xtended from the iFlySimX review. I am planning to get it when they release a patch where you can use CTRL-J jetways (I don't use AES because I am a Prepar3D user). In case you are interested, the CTRL-J Jetways are finished but need some beta testing before they are released, plus the CTRL-J Jetway patch should be included in the boxed version.

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I just upgraded to the Aerosoft Xtended version of EGLL (lower price for upgraders, too), and it's pretty good.  Never used the UK2000 version, so can't compare.  There's an option to skip the hi-res textures when installing, which I recommend because the hi-res version was a real stutter-fest on short final.  The lower res textures are still an improvement over the previous version, and look fine IMHO.  

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Is that the same option as Aerosoft Dublin, John? 2048 or 1024 textures?

 

I think it's the same install option for both airports, except I'm using FS9 so it's more like 512 versus 1024.  I do use the higher res textures for Dublin, but it's a lot smaller airport than Heathrow so no noticeable stutters for me.

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I've just noticed this was posted in the FS9 forum, not FSX. All my comments refer to the FSX versions. Sorry for any confusion.

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I just moved over from UK2000 to the latest version from Aerosoft. Better performance, and I prefer the look of the Aerosoft product.

 

Glad to see CTRL - J jetway patch is on the way. Maybe means P3D/AES compatibility is a long way off.

 

Graham

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I just moved over from UK2000 to the latest version from Aerosoft. Better performance, and I prefer the look of the Aerosoft product.

 

Glad to see CTRL - J jetway patch is on the way. Maybe means P3D/AES compatibility is a long way off.

 

Graham

I am also glad that they are nearly done with the CTRL-J Jetway Patch (with a little bit more beta testing). This is the only reason stopping me from getting Heathrow (as it use only AES which is unsupported in Prepar3Dv2.4).

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I am also glad that they are nearly done with the CTRL-J Jetway Patch (with a little bit more beta testing). This is the only reason stopping me from getting Heathrow (as it use only AES which is unsupported in Prepar3Dv2.4).

 

I think I read somewhere that there would be an alternative to AES for FlyTampa scenery. Anybody heard of that?

 

I think once you get the airport, you will be quite satisfied, not only with the performance, but also the appearance.

 

I feel a bit bad for Aerosoft. They're kind of on a roll. Heathrow, which I think may be their best mega airport; A318/A319 which I believe is quite superior to Xtended. On the other hand, they are stuck with AES which impacts their scenery and perhaps their revenue. No more AES credits will be purchased by P3D users.

 

Interesting that GSX works in P3D, but not AES. Hope Aerosoft can sort it out.

 

Graham

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But which scenery should I get?

 

As Clark Gable famously said "Frankly my dear, I don't give a d..n."    :LMAO:  :LMAO:

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I think there's only been 1 FS9 response, and no comparison yet!

Perhaps a lesson for future topics: put FS9 in the title so we don't get the Front Page Browsers from other sims in here...  :Talking Ear Off: 

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put FS9 in the title so we don't get the Front Page Browsers from other sims in here.

 

Thats a VERY good idea WingZ.

 

This problem has really manifested in recent weeks and is annoying to all.

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Well since I put this thread in the FS9 section I didn't think I needed to put FS9 in the title. :unknw:

 

And read the responses so far I am leaning to the Aerosoft version.

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Always go with UK2000. Gary always supports FS9 in all of his scenerys, which cant be said of alot of makers.

Just to say Ive have most of his scenerys apart from Heathrow so I cant help here.

But all his others work great in FS9 with fantasic frame rates with full on AI.

Steve

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Well since I put this thread in the FS9 section I didn't think I needed to put FS9 in the title

+1

 

Would love to read about you experience when you have decided for one of them. I still use stock scenery in London.

Btw.: In a SimMarket review, a FS2004 user reports half the FPS with Aerosofts version compared with UK2000. Another port over from FSX, or just more details?

 

Cheers, Harald

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I must admit that I am somewhat surprised at these reports that the framerate when using Aerosoft Heathrow Xtended is higher than that of UK2000 Heathrow Xtreme Version 3. Now, this is not because I am a UK2000 beta tester. It is simply because the Aerosoft version appears to render a considerably greater number of buildings around the perimeter of the airport, and also because those textures appear to be quite high resolution.

 

Can someone who has experience with both versions let me know a comparison of the detail levels "up close" (texture resolution, number of 3D models, lighting, airport clutter etc)?

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I can't make a comparison between Aerosoft and UK2000 versions as I only have the Aerosoft one. But I can tell you that with massive amounts of traffic, both at EGLL as well as Gatwick and EGLC I've never had any FPS issues. And like all the Mega Airport series from Aerosoft, the quality is great. But I have no doubt that the UK2000 one is too as I have great respect for Gary and his work. So I think whichever one you choose will be a success

Ian

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I love to support developers who make good FS9 add ons. Last rendition of LHR I bought both Aerosoft and UK2000 …..settled with UK2000.

 

There won't be too much between these two great developers, but as Gary has always given unerring FS9 support this time I bought UK2000 v3.

 

I still may buy the Aerosoft version just for the FS9 support.

 

I will NOT buy shoddy FS9 sceneries just because they are for FS9 …developers you know who you are!

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Well since I put this thread in the FS9 section I didn't think I needed to put FS9 in the title.
Joseph, what happens is that folk browse new topics on the front page of AVSIM where the sim type is not mentioned. Where a topic potentially spans across several sims (like this one), you get people inadvertently posting about P3D or FSX in here, unthinkingly.

It's actually a shortcoming in AVSIM's way of presenting new topics, and I find it sometimes tiresome.

 

I just downloaded UK2000's demo and will make an informed 50% decision on that.

I do like Gary's approach to marketing his stuff - what could be more honest than allowing you to look at the actual product, and decide for yourself?

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Ok …. I made my flight BGI-LHR with UK2000 v3,  no AI, real weather, aircraft and scenery shadows on.

 

Flight went very well, no CTD's but a little low on FPS on arrival for me (~ 19fps) as I normally use 100%AI and Fraps and FSrecorder……probably scenery shadows off would help a lot.

 

Sooooo I thought I would purchase Aerosoft LHR extended (as I was entitled to a discount) and see whether the FPS were better.

 

It is very difficult to choose between the two sceneries as both have their pros and cons and  their frame rates in FS9 are pretty much exactly the same.

 

To choose on detail will require me to have another look tomorrow without having drunk so much wine! :lol:

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I myself have the UK2000 V3 scenery and cant complain one bit about it, frames are good, consistently around the 25-27 mark (locked at 30) and I run Full AI, REX, activesky6.5 and a sweetfx mod...

 

Sorry cant help on the Aerosoft one since I wont buy 2 of the same Airports unless there has been a massive time gap (ie was using Flytampa KSFO but I now use Flightbeam).....

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