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Well, I know it is a matter of preference, but I'm open for your impressions and suggestions. I'm searching for a accusim warplane that has soul, not  extra complicated to manage, and feels most natural and "alive" aka breathing machine. I'm somehow closest to purchasing Civilian Mustang, but I like more the looks of P-47 Razorback.

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If you are into the warplanes strictly, then the Civ Mustang is a very good choice, as you have the normal avionics inside.

It isn't very complicated as some cooling systems are automated.

 

 

However I still like the Spitfire as you have there really watching the systm to avoid boiling over. Sometimes much moe fun ;)

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Real men fly the 377!

 

I kid I kid, I think the Mustang would be great for you. Plenty of stuff to manage, but not to a point where it gets overwhelming. I'd definitely pull the trigger on the Stang.

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It's hard to go wrong with any of them.  They have radically different personalities.  There are even notable differences between the civilian and military Mustangs - the military one is heavier, marginally slower and marginally more stable thanks to the armor.  The modeling is careful enough that you feel the difference.

 

Others will probably be more eloquent about them, but a quick overview:

 

The Mustangs, Spitfire and P-40 are the most recent, and have the most complex systems modeling (for example, primer-only starts since they model fuel in the line).  Of them, the Mustang is most capable (fastest, longest-range, most automated systems) but the hardest to master (enormous amounts of power for the weight - if you feed in throttle too fast on takeoff it'll flip over on its back and kill you because of the torque).  The Spitfire is a dream to fly but a cantankerous nightmare on the ground thanks to poor cooling (as guenseli notes) - get it airborne in five minutes before it boils over.  Think of it as a cranky British sportscar.  The P-40 is raw and needs lots of hand-on management but it'll get you into and out of short fields, which the Mustang won't, and it's a little tamer on takeoff.

 

The P-47 is an older product (you can only overhaul the engine, you can't replace individual parts) but lots of fun and a different kind of challenge - it's very stable but very heavy, and the engine needs lots of management (cowl flaps, intercooler flaps, oil shutters).  But it's a graduate course in radial engines and you'll find out why its pilots loved it - I always feel safer in it than any of the others.

 

Then there's my personal favorite, the B-17.  Totally different kind of flying, of course, but it's the easiest to fly (designed by Boeing for novice pilots) and has a crew to help you with the systems, so you can treat it as an enormous Piper Cub - or not, if you want to do everything hands on.  Lots of great talkback by the crew and a big selection of period radio broadcasts that the radioman finds for you as you fly.  I just now got back from a coastal B-17 flight at dusk in low overcast in Orbx South Alaska and I haven't had so much fun in a flight sim in weeks.

 

So there you go - something for all tastes.  If you go over to the A2A forums, there's a subforum for each aircraft.  Each one of them has fans and all the fans will be happy to tell you why.

 

Final note - whichever one you pick, make sure to buy the Accu-sim module too (separate purchase for the warbirds, the GA aircraft come with it).  That's what gives you the living, breathing machine thing you're looking for.

 

EDIT:  Wendall posted while I was finishing up.  He's right - the 377 (plus the Captain of the Sim expansion) is still another great adventure.  Check it out.

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Civilian Mustang gives you the feel of flying a P51 but works great in an IFR environment and even has AP

 

Gets my vote

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You know the only thing that bothers me about the civilian Mustang?  It's too clean.  Makes me feel like I'm flying a millionaire's toy instead of an honest working airplane.

 

Strictly my lunacy - it's a great product.  And you can use military repaints on the civilian model, which helps.  But for me there's nothing like a battered cockpit.

 

 

On the plus side, the civ Mustang works best for FSX flying.  

 

So check it out.  

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I bought both Mustangs as I just have a hang for them. I hardly fly the civ one after I was able to put a limited AP in it (holds just height and wings level after engaging with "Z". Great for some longer flights as without proper feedback, e.g. sitting in the plane and feeling it move up an down, it can be very exhausting).

 

The old military P51D all the way.

 

But as some said, it´s very demanding on take off and landing. You might check out Ant´s T-28D as trainer.  That´s of course a 1950´s plane but I feel it´s good training for flying with old prop planes. 

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FSX only i take it  :(          Will A2A port the war stuff over to PD3?  They look really great 

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Thanks guys, especially Alan_A for detailed answer I was hoping for.  :ph34r:

I already have B377 with CoTS and had lots of fun with it, but somehow over time I've got bored with it mostly because of very difficult instrument approaches and very lazy engines.

 

I will certainly get a war bird with accusim, no other way. :) And it probably will be Civilian Mustang, as, amongs other important thing that Alan described, it is most immersive, as I can see watching some YT videos.

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Like the others have said, each Accusim plane has it's own personality, each one suits a different type of flying.  Like to fly fast and far....the P-51 is your ticket.  Want to do it like the pros? Get the Mil.  Want to do it in today's airspace...get the Civil version.  Like to fly down in the weeds with an attitude while looking at scenery with a rugged Allison and shark's teeth up front?  The P-40 is your ticket.  Want to fly a temperamental beauty that loves dancing in the cooler high altitudes and handles like a dream?  The Spitfire is your ticket.  Want to fly a tank?  The P-47 is your ticket.

 

My personal favorite is still the P-40, but love the others too because each brings a unique experience.

 

Cheers

TJ

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FSX only i take it  :(          Will A2A port the war stuff over to PD3?  They look really great 

 

I fly P3D exclusively and they all work fine.  While not officially supported in P3D, there's help available for them in the A2A forums (right now only the GA airplanes have P3D-specific installers and licensing).  Many users report that they do fine by pointing the installer at P3D and making sure there's a dummy fsx.exe in the main folder.  I've had to use the Estonian Migration Tool, I think because my P3D installation is on a separate disk and the installer has problems with that. Or maybe that's just an issue particular to my system.  In any case, they're ready to go now in P3D and there's no reason to wait.  

 

 

Like the others have said, each Accusim plane has it's own personality

 

I actually need to credit pilottj for first pointing out to me the differences among the A2A fighters and helping me think about them (the Spitfire-as-English-sportscar analogy was his and IIRC he referred to the P-40 as more of a jeep, which is dead on).  Now that I've tried them all out, I can confirm exactly what he said based on my own experience, but the descriptions you're reading in this thread are very much a group effort.

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You know the only thing that bothers me about the civilian Mustang?  It's too clean.  Makes me feel like I'm flying a millionaire's toy instead of an honest working airplane.

 

But that's EXACTLY who owns these things.

 

I'd say the Civvie P-51 is indeed the best A2A warbird offering overall, though something about the character of the Mk 1 Spitfire keeps tugging me back. Because of the temperature management involved it does feel the most 'alive' to me.

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But that's EXACTLY who owns these things.

 

Of course!  It's just that I have a hard time seeing myself as a millionaire in a Mustang.  Am much more at home hauling fish (or whatever) around Alaska in a surplus B-17.

 

Agree with you about the Spit, though for obvious reasons it tends to be one of my winter rides...

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Anyone have positive experiences with the Aircraft Factory Corsair F4U? I'm building a balsa model of it, and went looking for an FSX version but that's the only one. Never heard of that particular line, so don't know what to expect.

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I fly P3D exclusively and they all work fine.

Does the 377 work? Last I heard there were issues with starting the engines and some of the panels not working. If it does work now, I know exactly what I'm spending my Sunday in  :wink: .

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Does the 377 work? Last I heard there were issues with starting the engines and some of the panels not working. If it does work now, I know exactly what I'm spending my Sunday in  :wink: .

 

Works for me - I can't speak for others.  As with the rest of my A2A aircraft, I installed using the Estonian Migration Tool.  If you've had problems with the simpler method (point the installer at a dummy fsx.exe in the P3D folder), try uninstalling it and reinstalling with the EMT.  Can't say for sure, but it might help.

Anyone have positive experiences with the Aircraft Factory Corsair F4U? I'm building a balsa model of it, and went looking for an FSX version but that's the only one. Never heard of that particular line, so don't know what to expect.

 

Aircraft Factory is their budget line - no Accu-sim, they're jump-in-and-fly aircraft, some of them done in-house and some by outside developers.  They can be very nicely done - I particularly like the Heinkel He 219.  The Corsair is one of the few I don't own.  It has a following, but from what I can gather there's some controversy about the flight model, and there's a tweaked FDE in circulation.  Milviz mentioned recently that they're working on a revised version based on the Aircraft Factor model that they'll release themselves.  There's more about that project and about the flight model in this Sim Outhouse thread.  

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 I've had to use the Estonian Migration Tool

Me thinks i will hold off for a while  :rolleyes:

 

 

 


 Like to fly fast and far....the P-51 is your ticket.  Want to do it like the pros? Get the Mil.  Want to do it in today's airspace...get the Civil version.  Like to fly down in the weeds with an attitude while looking at scenery with a rugged Allison and shark's teeth up front?  The P-40 is your ticket.  Want to fly a temperamental beauty that loves dancing in the cooler high altitudes and handles like a dream?  The Spitfire is your ticket.  Want to fly a tank?  The P-47 is your ticket.

 

Great summary 

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FSX only i take it  :(          Will A2A port the war stuff over to PD3?  They look really great 

 

Far as I know, FSX aicraft from A2A work fine in P3D when installing them with EMT. I'm flying the P-51 Civ in P3D2 and it works just fine.

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Me thinks i will hold off for a while 

 

Well, if you don't want to pay for the Estonian Migration Tool (€11.95, VAT included), that's one thing.  I don't like to spend other peoples' money (I'm fully occupied spending my own...  B) )  But if you're concerned about difficulty or hassle, you shouldn't be - it's the easiest utility in creation.  What you do is: go here, buy it and download it.  Install it.  Put a shortcut on your desktop.  Launch it and tell it where your FSX (if you have one) and P3D installs are located.  Then, every time you want to install an FSX product into P3D - one that doesn't have a P3D installer - launch the Migration Tool, click on "enable Virtual FSX," then run your product's installer.  That's it.  You're good to go.  You can keep the Virtual FSX in place (a handful of add-ons like this), or disable it immediately.  In either case, launch P3D and fly.  

 

As noted above, the other option is to place an fsx.exe in your P3D main folder.  It doesn't have to be the actual fsx.exe - you could just make a copy of your P3D.exe and rename it.  Then point the A2A installer to your P3D main folder.  This seems to work OK for a lot of folks.  It didn't work for me. I haven't fully worked out why, but  - again at the risk of repeating - I think the issue was that my FSX and P3D are on separate drives.  When I pointed the A2A installer at my P3D folder, it installed most of the files OK, but it also insisted on creating a new FSX directory on my P3D drive and placing some files there.  As a result, the installed aircraft didn't work.  When I used the migration tool, this didn't happen.  If you have FSX and P3D on the same drive, there might not be a problem.  Try it and see.  Using the dummy .exe is obviously the easiest and least expensive option.  The migration tool is equally easy and always seems to work, for me at least.

 

Obviously, you'll want to respect EULAs when using the EMT.  In the case of the A2A warbirds, while the P3D install isn't officially supported, it doesn't seem to be a EULA violation, at least as far as I know.  The A2A GA aircraft are another story - for those you need a P3D license and installer.

 

Hope this helps.

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Obviously, you'll want to respect EULAs when using the EMT.  In the case of the A2A warbirds, while the P3D install isn't officially supported, it doesn't seem to be a EULA violation, at least as far as I know.  The A2A GA aircraft are another story - for those you need a P3D license and installer.

 

I asked about it on the A2A forums and it's okay to use their FSX products in P3D and if you're having trouble you can even post questions about FSX aircraft in P3D for other users to help you with, no problem at all.

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My choices would be for military the Civilian Mustang and for modern the 182. Those are just my picks!

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I asked about it on the A2A forums and it's okay to use their FSX products in P3D and if you're having trouble you can even post questions about FSX aircraft in P3D for other users to help you with, no problem at all.

 

That was my understanding and in fact I've taken part in those discussions over at A2A.  But I didn't have the chance to track down a specific reference, and just on the off chance that I might have missed something, I decided to hedge and cover my, you know, empennage...  :P

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Aircraft Factory is their budget line - no Accu-sim, they're jump-in-and-fly aircraft, some of them done in-house and some by outside developers.  They can be very nicely done - I particularly like the Heinkel He 219.  The Corsair is one of the few I don't own.  It has a following, but from what I can gather there's some controversy about the flight model, and there's a tweaked FDE in circulation.  Milviz mentioned recently that they're working on a revised version based on the Aircraft Factor model that they'll release themselves.  There's more about that project and about the flight model in this Sim Outhouse thread.  

 

Thanks for giving me the skinny on it. I'll check out that thread to read up on the fde issues. 

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Hope this helps.

 

Thank you Alan for your detailed anwser, spending money is not a problem for me, trying to control my Spening is though:) Yes I love the A2A stuff, have the C182 and Cherokee, I dont want to sound like an arm chair expert but the more I get into flight Simming the less tolerant I am for the Arcade stuff, so A2A really is a notch above the rest. Thank you for your help.

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...the more I get into flight Simming the less tolerant I am for the Arcade stuff...

 

Agreed.  But don't let your devotion to A2A put you off some of the other good stuff out there - Manfred Jahn's freeware propliners, for example.

 

Good luck getting your Accu-sim aircraft into P3D and give a shout here or at the A2A forums if you run into any problems.  Enjoy!

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