You've lost me here mate. You said free was a race to the bottom when lots of freeware scenery exists for both FSX an XP. Some good, some terrible. Payware also exists, some good, some terrible.

 

You hope the payware is better then the freeware, and generally it is, but you can't afford payware all the time, most people can't, so for those bits, you can get freeware. You get what you pay for, or don't pay for.

 

If you don't want freeware, don't get it....I'm still lost are what you're getting at if I'm honest. Are you suggesting that some people expect payware type products but for free?

You've lost me here mate. You said free was a race to the bottom when lots of freeware scenery exists for both FSX an XP. Some good, some terrible.

 

 

 

Is there an OrbX style region for X-Plane?

No

 

Will there ever be?

Probably not.

 

They can't make money on X-Plane because many of their users apparently desire everything for free (Austin lauds the fact that things are free for it).

 

Third party development is what makes a sim platform vibrant and XPX has an awful paid 3rd party market due to small market size and the wrong mindset from many of the users.

 

Does that make sense?

 

 

Remember these guys?

http://beti-x.com

 

Did one great project (CZST Stewart) - Never heard from again (that was well over a year ago).

I see what you're saying now, you mean quality vs quality. I don't use XP, so I'm not the best person to speak about it, but I get the feeling it's a horses for courses type scenario. Some are more then happy with it, others are not. From everything I've read there is no real true answer, more personal preference. But I see what you're saying.

 

PMDG are releasing a plane for XP, coming out for XP first actually. So maybe the changing of the guard is coming. We'll see. I think that's the old joke with XP though isn't it, it's coming, we shall see

I see what you're saying now, you mean quality vs quality. I don't use XP, so I'm not the best person to speak about it, but I get the feeling it's a horses for courses type scenario. Some are more then happy with it, others are not. From everything I've read there is no real true answer, more personal preference. But I see what you're saying.

 

PMDG are releasing a plane for XP, coming out for XP first actually. So maybe the changing of the guard is coming. We'll see. I think that's the old joke with XP though isn't it, it's coming, we shall see

 

Ahh the PMDG for XP story...

 

I can't wait to see it when it's finally out (been waiting since early 2012 it looks like on their Facebook page).

 

More planes still doesn't solve the issues of "regions" and bringing more life to whole areas.

As far as I know, nobody is even working on that for X-Plane.  :-(

I gave up on X-Plane9/10 purely because of the flight modelling. It had alot of other stuff to like (graphics, smoothness, default scenery etc).

 

In X-Plane it felt as though I was flying the scenery around the aircraft whereas in P3D it feels like I am flying the aircraft around the scenery (as in real life).

 

That's the only way I can describe it!

Note: applies for UK fliers only (that's at least two of us).

 

I don't understand that - I fly in the UK as I believe you do and I couldn't find any other combination other than XP that allows me to recreate and/or practice for a real flight. If you fly in the UK (a smallish market I know) it really can help because of the way Tony has created W2XP (it is not just OSM but about 4 or 5 different sets of data) pretty much every building, structure, woodland forest, pylon, jetty etc is where it is in real life and sits precisely on top of the photoscenery bringing it to life. You, therefore, really can practice VFR effectively. I also use Sky Demon (which auto links with XP) - the charts match exactly what you see out of the window.

 

If you watch the video re Southampton in the XP forum hopefully you will see something that is pretty close to the real thing. Come and try it if you like - you can PM me - live near Macclesfield!

 

Anyway I am having a ball and hope everyone else is too, whichever sim they choose.

 

cheers

Peter

Freeware is one of the strengths of X-Plane because of the availability of excellent scenery development tools like WED and OE and Sketchup.  Local airports can be easily hand-crafted by people living in the area who can photograph and reproduce them accurately.  I have over 4,500 custom airports in X-Plane, all freeware except for a very few.  That doesn't count the default or Gateway or the recent release of 25,000 airports by one author (!)

 

By contrast, I've been collecting add-ons for FSX for years and hundreds of dollars for mesh, terrain, and all manner of tweaks to try to get it to be more realistic.  FSX can be very good, but not out of the box.  X-Plane is the same.  The main difference for me is that I don't have to spend a fortune to bring X-Plane up to FSX standards for scenery.

 

Just one opinion from an old guy who has flown sims since my Atari 800 and subLogic Flight Simulator 2.0

Never paid for any FSX scenery. Pretty happy, especially when you look at Aussiex, their Geneva is top draw. I also have some other great freeware. However, I can't compare that to what XP has to deliver. So just saying what I have is great but no comparison. Like a virgin with their first person; it's great but with no other knowledge

Now if XP can get a plane that flies like a real aircraft, that would be different.. 

 

 

Local airports can be easily hand-crafted by people living in the area who can photograph and reproduce them accurately.  I have over 4,500 custom airports in X-Plane, all freeware except for a very few.

 

"easily" might be a stretch, but, that said...

 

Would love to see some of the ones you think are the best.

Which are they?

MisterX6 amongst a number of others is producing some superb freeware. http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=26819

MisterX6 amongst a number of others is producing some superb freeware. http://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?app=downloads&showfile=26819

 

MisterX6:  Totally agree about him.

 

Let's hear some of the others...

Hasn't this thread gone totally off-topic? Not sure how it relates to P3D now.

Beti-X is working on Bella Coola and another airport.

Beti-X is working on Bella Coola and another airport.

Sorry to go off-topic, but where did you hear that. I'm very excited if they are.

Beti-X is working on Bella Coola and another airport.

 

??

Source please?

 

After their CZST (amazing!) , they got very quiet , I would love to see more from those.