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Flight1 GTN or RealityXP ?

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I am kind of new to this type of avionics, having spent most of my flight sim time with the big jets.  I recently decided to buy some of the ORBX regions and I am thinking about upgrading the avionics in some of my payware/freeware GA aircraft.  Looking for a recommendation from the GA crowd as to which way to go with these GPS addons.  Also, I am confused as to whether I need two of them or just one ?

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Hi Mark,

 

Definitely the Flight1 GTN, it's much more advanced, has many more features like integrated maps, TAWS (Terrain Awareness and Warning System), fuel and v-calc, and when combined with the RealAir Duke Turbine, it gives you a pretty much unbeatable GA package. The RealityXP gauge is ages old, the data is very outdated, and it has no developer support. The Flight1 GTN has full support in their forums.

 

Cheers,

 

Jerome

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I have both.  Also to consider...

 

  • while you do have to buy the FSX and P3D versions of the Flight1 GTN separately, you can at least use it in P3D.  The RXP units don't have a P3D version. 
  • The terrain data with the GTN units is US only, so if you fly outside of the US, that could be a problem.  Some folks have looked into getting an expanded database that has data outside the US but I'm not aware of anyone who has that working.  Maybe they do, but I'm not aware of it.

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Thanks for the information.  I only fly FSX and FSX-SE right now so I would only need that version.  Do you guys have two GPS's installed in the aircraft, sorry I am a bit confused on this point as to why you need multiple units and if you have to buy them separately.  I assume in RW you need this for redundancy but in the sim I would think one would be fine.

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I have both.  Also to consider...

 

  • while you do have to buy the FSX and P3D versions of the Flight1 GTN separately, you can at least use it in P3D.  The RXP units don't have a P3D version. 
  • The terrain data with the GTN units is US only, so if you fly outside of the US, that could be a problem.  Some folks have looked into getting an expanded database that has data outside the US but I'm not aware of anyone who has that working.  Maybe they do, but I'm not aware of it.

 

I have used both, no contest its the GTN.  Data is much more up to date, and many of the top-tier addons (A2A, Flysimware, Milviz, Realair) have built in VC integration.  In fact if you don't mind a bit of modification, the new version of the GTN trainer was just released 6/8/2015, so you can use even more up to date databases! (except for terrain, that one is still 2014, and its not recommended or supported by Flight1 if you do this).  Also it is still in active development and has both support from Flight1 and a huge and growing user base.  Only downside is multiple license versions, so if one day you decide to switch to P3D2, you need to re-purchase.  The P3D2 version is also 15 USD more, but i cant imagine flying without it now!

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I have both.  Also to consider...

 

  • while you do have to buy the FSX and P3D versions of the Flight1 GTN separately, you can at least use it in P3D.  The RXP units don't have a P3D version. 
  • The terrain data with the GTN units is US only, so if you fly outside of the US, that could be a problem.  Some folks have looked into getting an expanded database that has data outside the US but I'm not aware of anyone who has that working.  Maybe they do, but I'm not aware of it.

 

 

Pretty sure I see terrain data in Europe as well on the latest version which is 1.08 or 1.09

actually, It seems that the terrain database is now worldwide on new version

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Thanks for the information.  I only fly FSX and FSX-SE right now so I would only need that version.  Do you guys have two GPS's installed in the aircraft, sorry I am a bit confused on this point as to why you need multiple units and if you have to buy them separately.  I assume in RW you need this for redundancy but in the sim I would think one would be fine.

 

Suggest starting with the Flight1 GTN 750.   Fabulous gauge.

 

Install it in the RealAir Tubine Duke V2, or a2a C182 / Cherokee for starters.

 

The latest version comes with worldwide terrain data, so that is covered.

 

You can install two units in the Duke, but that is not commonly done.

 

The GTN 650 (separate purchase) fits in some panels where the 750 is too big to fit.

Example Carenado Bonanza.

 

Some aircraft have dual 650s in the panel, example Carenado Baron.

 

Depending on the aircraft, you might like the RXP GNS.. example Carenado B200

or Baytower RV7.. but that is old technology, and no longer supported as pointed out in an earlier post.

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  • The terrain data with the GTN units is US only, so if you fly outside of the US, that could be a problem.

 

 

Hi Gregg,

 

If you now use the latest GTN V5 PC Trainer, you get worldwide terrain data, as well as WAAS approaches outside of the USA, it's mentioned on the Flight1 product page too:

 

http://goo.gl/ZrO3ws

 

Garmin have just released an updated version of the V5 Trainer, that apparently has even newer data:

 

http://goo.gl/YNycl3

 

Flight1 are usually quick to update their GTN to be compatible with Garmin's latest trainer version.

 

Cheers,

 

Jerome

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Hi Gregg,

 

If you now use the latest GTN V5 PC Trainer, you get worldwide terrain data, as well as WAAS approaches outside of the USA, it's mentioned on the Flight1 product page too:

 

http://goo.gl/ZrO3ws

 

Garmin have just released an updated version of the V5 Trainer, that apparently has even newer data:

 

http://goo.gl/YNycl3

 

Flight1 are usually quick to update their GTN to be compatible with Garmin's latest trainer version.

 

Cheers,

 

Jerome

So just installing Garmin's latest v5 trainer is all we have to do to update to newer data?  Simply download and install?

 

I am kind of new to this type of avionics, having spent most of my flight sim time with the big jets.  I recently decided to buy some of the ORBX regions and I am thinking about upgrading the avionics in some of my payware/freeware GA aircraft.  Looking for a recommendation from the GA crowd as to which way to go with these GPS addons.  Also, I am confused as to whether I need two of them or just one ?

I'm in the same place as you.  Having flown 99.999% tubeliners for the past 20 years in flight simming, I'm finally giving GA a real try.  It's completely refreshing to be able to literally go anywhere on the globe, not just the same routes/airports that the airlines fly(I flew my tubeliner stuff based on real world routes/schedules etc).

 

Anyway, I just got the Flight1 GTN750 and highly recommend it!!!!  One of the best purchases you can make I think.

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So just installing Garmin's latest v5 trainer is all we have to do to update to newer data?  Simply download and install?

 

I'm in the same place as you.  Having flown 99.999% tubeliners for the past 20 years in flight simming, I'm finally giving GA a real try.  It's completely refreshing to be able to literally go anywhere on the globe, not just the same routes/airports that the airlines fly(I flew my tubeliner stuff based on real world routes/schedules etc).

 

Anyway, I just got the Flight1 GTN750 and highly recommend it!!!!  One of the best purchases you can make I think.

 

No, its not supported yet, although you can manually take the database and add it to the current F1 version. Instructions are at the support forum on F1 site.

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If you wish to be fully up to date, you would need to download the newest installer version and then uninstall the 'old Garmin Trainer' and then launch the new installer...

 

...both the new(er) Garmin Trainer and the GTN gauge(s) will be installed.

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Thanks again for the additional info.  Looks like the 750 is the way to go.

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No, its not supported yet, although you can manually take the database and add it to the current F1 version. Instructions are at the support forum on F1 site.

This is totally doable, but some users have reported that the new terrain db (all other dB's OK) doesn't work. Keep the 2014 terrain db from the previous trainer and update the rest (charts, nav, safetaxi, etc.). Worked great for me.

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I have both... its up to you. IMO, the RXP looks nice in older aircrafts like the A2A Cherokee.

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Is it true that you cannot use the RXP units and the GTN750 together?

 

That is true... and you would not have these units (GNS and GTN) installed together in a RW aircraft either..

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I like the layout and easy use of the RXP 430/530. In real life not many airplanes have a GTN. But the RXP units do not work in P3D or FSX:Steam

 

You can find updated navigation data and use it for the RXP units, they use the same file system just named differently

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I am kind of new to this type of avionics, having spent most of my flight sim time with the big jets.  I recently decided to buy some of the ORBX regions and I am thinking about upgrading the avionics in some of my payware/freeware GA aircraft.  Looking for a recommendation from the GA crowd as to which way to go with these GPS addons.  Also, I am confused as to whether I need two of them or just one ?

 

Both avionics are top notch.

 

RXP 530w/430w has been the trusted package for a long time.  A combination of one or both of these units is natively available in a lot of addons.  Natively meaning integrated into the VC, not just a popup.  There's no developer support anymore (not sure what happened to Jean-Luc - he seemed to fade away when Dreamfleet did).  But you shouldn't have serious issues - if you install correctly stuff just works.  Otherwise Bert and I are pretty good at helping.  

 

RXP/GTN navdatabases are interchangable...  and there are some updates here and there.  PM me for details.

 

But my recommendation is the GTN 750.  Amazing gauge, good tech support, worldwide terrain/navdata/ (and now safe taxi for EU - only if you copy over the new unsupported databases).  georeferenced approach plates - awesome, just awesome.  Downside is, not many addon integrations yet (but the GTN series is super new compared to RXP).  

 

All gauges can be added to an aircraft with a 2D popup.

 

RXP VC native integrations:

 

Most Carenado planes

Realair Legacy, piston and turbine Dukes

Lotus L39

Baytower RV7

Orbx Lancair

Orbx RV4

A2A Cherokee, C172,C182, Civ Mustang

Alabeo Saratoga

a few of Ant's airplanes

Aerosoft Katana 4x

and more

 

GTN:

Realair

A2A

a few Carenado/alabeo

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Make sure your computer is fairly current for the GTN unit.  My computer is 6 years old and the RXP has no fps impact, but the GTN will take away 5 fps on an older system.

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Well I ended up buying the RealAir Turbine Duke V2 and the GTN 750.  For a guy that really never got into GA aircraft I have to say I am really enjoying this combination when flying over the ORBX NorthWest regions.

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Well I ended up buying the RealAir Turbine Duke V2 and the GTN 750.  For a guy that really never got into GA aircraft I have to say I am really enjoying this combination when flying over the ORBX NorthWest regions.

Excellent choice:

 

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Well I ended up buying the RealAir Turbine Duke V2 and the GTN 750.  For a guy that really never got into GA aircraft I have to say I am really enjoying this combination when flying over the ORBX NorthWest regions.

Good choice. I went one step further and use the 650/750 combo in the tduke, 650 for flight plan and 750 and traffic display. Can't beat it!

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Wow the Duke is really nice to fly.  Hand flying is so smooth.  I am sure I am not flying her correctly, need to watch a few videos and delve into the manuals to do it properly.


What about FPS cost? Does the Flight1 GPS reduce frame rates?

 

I don't notice anything stays locked at 30.

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classic tduke v1 and dual gns setup (no crossfill): perfectly happy.

 

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