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Carenado Navajo....bought it.

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Bought the Carenado PA-31 Navajo and I like it.  Easy on the frames....excellent sound....really nice air file.  I am enjoying it, and I hope some of you are also experiencing this excellent GA aircraft.

 

Stan

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Stan,

 

I had my first flight in it this morning. The 200 nm journey from Bella Coola to Stewart. I had a ball flying this aircraft. As you said, beautifully presented, great frames and the FDE is more than convincing. The 750 integration is brilliant and it also links nicely to all of my saitek panels.

 

Hirdy

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Do people never learn? They still haven't fixed every one of their past releases. Stop rewarding them. They are Captain Sim of GA

 

 

 

NOTE:  Member restricted from posting topics for 120 hours for trolling - first offense.  I have no problems with individuals providing a detailed review of a product with known or definite problems with a commercial aircraft but one liners will not cut it here.

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Apparently some people like their aircraft even if they don't cater to your specifications. Why stress about other people's purchases? I have their Cessna 337 and enjoy it. It's not A2A level but not bad.

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Don't you people get that your anti-Carenado comments are not only offensive to Carenado, they're also offensive to someone that's purchased the product and would just like to enjoy it and discuss it among others that also have purchased?

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Do people never learn? They still haven't fixed every one of their past releases. Stop rewarding them. They are Captain Sim of GA

And....................that means excellent graphics. I'd buy them just for the looks..

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Don't you people get that your anti-Carenado comments are not only offensive to Carenado, they're also offensive to someone that's purchased the product and would just like to enjoy it and discuss it among others that also have purchased?

It's offensive to all of us who spent money in the past and received an incomplete product and bad support from the company. As long as people keep rewarding them, they will never learn. At least Captain Sim started getting better after public pressure.

Apparently some people like their aircraft even if they don't cater to your specifications. Why stress about other people's purchases? I have their Cessna 337 and enjoy it. It's not A2A level but not bad.

Why is fixing bugs "catering to my specifics"?

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I'm flying this Navajo now and really enjoying it.  

It's a beautiful aircraft with outstanding sound and really nice flight dynamics. 

True, I can't check the oil or take a compression test, like I can in my A2A Piper Comanche, but it is a very high quality simulation none the less.

I'll gladly reward Carenado for releasing products as good as this Navajo.

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Don't you people get that your anti-Carenado comments are not only offensive to Carenado, they're also offensive to someone that's purchased the product and would just like to enjoy it and discuss it among others that also have purchased?

 

I definitely agree Jim. I do take offense too. These Carenado critics seem to feel like they are at some metaphysical higher level of aeronautical simulation knowledge than everyone else here,  yet they never give any specific reason for bashing Carenado, other than they didn't get the support answers that they felt they so rightly deserved.

They say that anyone who buys from Carenado are just "Ctrl+E" pilots and they consider themselves to be high level doctors of deep simulation complexity and the rest of us are satisfied with freeware level or default aircraft.

I have purchased and fly aircraft from PMDG, Aerosoft, Majestic, Eaglesoft, Flysimware and other high quality developers, and I also consider this Carenado Navajo and many of Carenado's products to be very well made. 

I have no freeware aircraft on my computer and never fly default FSX aircraft, so the group they are trying to place me in is completely bogus.

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Absolutely agree. The Navajo is a beautifully presented plane, and I immediately experienced fantastic flight dynamics, for which their Cessna 337 was so highly praised. This is exactly what I hoped the plane would be. Well done Carenado.

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Do people never learn? They still haven't fixed every one of their past releases. Stop rewarding them. They are Captain Sim of GA

Tell your story walking pal. We're enjoying it.

I definitely agree Jim. I do take offense too. These Carenado critics seem to feel like they are at some metaphysical higher level of aeronautical simulation knowledge than everyone else here,  yet they never give any specific reason for bashing Carenado, other than they didn't get the support answers that they felt they so rightly deserved.

They say that anyone who buys from Carenado are just "Ctrl+E" pilots and they consider themselves to be high level doctors of deep simulation complexity and the rest of us are satisfied with freeware level or default aircraft.

I have purchased and fly aircraft from PMDG, Aerosoft, Majestic, Eaglesoft, Flysimware and other high quality developers, and I also consider this Carenado Navajo and many of Carenado's products to be very well made. 

I have no freeware aircraft on my computer and never fly default FSX aircraft, so the group they are trying to place me in is completely bogus.

Well said Robert. I'm exactly the same as you. I've got all the study sims and my Carenado range is expansive and enjoyable. They have done a great job with the Navajo. Sheez a Navajo pilot even rates it.

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Good morning everyone   :rolleyes: 

 

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I definitely agree Jim. I do take offense too. These Carenado critics seem to feel like they are at some metaphysical higher level of aeronautical simulation knowledge than everyone else here,  yet they never give any specific reason for bashing Carenado, other than they didn't get the support answers that they felt they so rightly deserved.

They say that anyone who buys from Carenado are just "Ctrl+E" pilots and they consider themselves to be high level doctors of deep simulation complexity and the rest of us are satisfied with freeware level or default aircraft.

I have purchased and fly aircraft from PMDG, Aerosoft, Majestic, Eaglesoft, Flysimware and other high quality developers, and I also consider this Carenado Navajo and many of Carenado's products to be very well made. 

I have no freeware aircraft on my computer and never fly default FSX aircraft, so the group they are trying to place me in is completely bogus.

I never once said anything about who Carenado pilots are. I only said you are rewarding a company that treats their customers badly and refuses to fix bugs by constantly buying every single new airplane they release without fixing the bugs in their previous releases. This is not difficult to understand.

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*Edit*

 

Just wondering about the Sound, more specifically the sound of outside when the windows are open and engines are on, then you close the windows,  Does the sound change?  

 

Fantastic looking plane 

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I definitely agree Jim. I do take offense too. These Carenado critics seem to feel like they are at some metaphysical higher level of aeronautical simulation knowledge than everyone else here,  yet they never give any specific reason for bashing Carenado, other than they didn't get the support answers that they felt they so rightly deserved.

They say that anyone who buys from Carenado are just "Ctrl+E" pilots and they consider themselves to be high level doctors of deep simulation complexity and the rest of us are satisfied with freeware level or default aircraft.

I have purchased and fly aircraft from PMDG, Aerosoft, Majestic, Eaglesoft, Flysimware and other high quality developers, and I also consider this Carenado Navajo and many of Carenado's products to be very well made. 

I have no freeware aircraft on my computer and never fly default FSX aircraft, so the group they are trying to place me in is completely bogus.

Thats Bizarre. Initially I thought you were against "high level doctors of deep simulation"  but then appear to be a high level doctor yourself lol

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Anyone with some aeronautical knowledge would soon realise some Carenado aircraft have FDE's that are no better then default fs98 aircraft. Anyone without aeronautical knowledge could soon spend a few minute researching an aircraft then would reach the same conclusion.

 

I bought 10 fs9 aircraft on sale for around $3-4 each and seriously doubt they're worth any more then that. Having flown a real aircaft, some freeware aircraft feel more realistic.

 

Carenado develop add-ons for the 'eye candy' crowd. Nothing more. Nothing less.

With all do respect for your experience in real aircraft, I disagree.  Carenado products are a little more than eye candy.  I admit some are better than others and I have gotten a refund on a couple of their products.  But, overall, I find them accepable simulations.  By acceptable, I mean this;  I have over 12,000 hours in general aviation aircraft.  That includes the Navajo.  When I fly the sim, I am looking for a combination of sight, sound, and feel that re-connects me with the real experience.  This Navajo is not perfect.  I have to overlook some minor flaws.  But it is close enough in sight, sound and feel to trigger the recall neurofunction that I enjoy.  Maybe I am a member of the "eye candy" crowd.  But I am also a member of the "been there, done that" crowd.  And, IMO, this is not a bad product for $38.

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I probably should've mentioned I don't have that aircraft and by the sounds of it it's reasonable. I guess some of us are a little disspointed in some of their offerings so won't be hastily using the c/c again without a lot of research. Appreciate the reply and review though.

Thanks Jon.

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These are some valid points (on both sides) that  have been made.

 

For me, is all about "value." The A2A Comanche and ASN have changed how I sim with FSX.

 

I now need to check the oil and fuel before my flights and I no longer fly in boring, predictable weather. My flights are exciting and fulfilling.

 

It's going to be difficult for me to buy another Carenado airplane. Maybe at 50% off.

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Anyone with some aeronautical knowledge would soon realise some Carenado aircraft have FDE's that are no better then default fs98 aircraft. Anyone without aeronautical knowledge could soon spend a few minute researching an aircraft then would reach the same conclusion.

 

I have to disagree.  One thing I like to do is find real world aircraft tables, read articles and watch videos to see how the aircraft performs against them.  Also, I like to see what 'numbers' RW pilots use when they fly and see how the FSX airplane does when you use those numbers.  I did that with the PA46 Malibu Mirage a while back and it was, I think, as close as you could get.  Climbouts, go-arounds, cruise, pretty much spot on (with some minor exceptions during decent).  Honestly, I haven't done that on the default airplanes because I really don't want to fly them, but Carenado didn't get the numbers right on the PA46 by accident.  Now, in terms of unusual handling (stalls, slow flight, spins) that kind of information is harder to find but, honestly, I don't do them that much anyway in these planes.  My point is, yeah, Carenado planes are frustrating when it comes to systems and bugs...drives my nuts!  But don't lump everything they do into that.  Bernt Stolle is one of the best at FDEs.

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Some points.....

 

Yes, Bernt Stolle is very good with flight dynamic programming.  If a plane has his input, then it's worthwhile.

 

I also like A2A aircraft. Not much into the maintenance thing, because I spent many years in real life doing airplane maintenance. I still have a lot of aircraft specific tools, that I should get rid of.  

 

These days, I usually wait for the Carenados to get over to the X-plane side.  This is because the flight dynamics have to be re-worked because of incompatibility. Note: I never have thought that X-Plane has more realistic FD than MSFS products. Have been a fan of RealAir for many years, and now A2A.  It's just that the Carenados end up with better FD, than some other X-plane offerings.  Mostly to do with the X-Plane "torque" issue.

 

Might just have to get the Navajo for FSX.  It just looks great, and would go well with my Orbx scenery.

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I think it looks nice, sounds nice and will be fun for flying the islands. An easy "jump in and have fun" plane. Sometimes a study sim just doesn't fit the mood, and this one looks appropriate.

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I once heard a prominent FS publisher state "You can't buy advertising like that!" over a similar thread here at Avsim that had to do with his own product. I hope Carenado's smiling about the little sales boost this morning. :smile:

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These are some valid points (on both sides) that have been made.

 

For me, is all about "value." The A2A Comanche and ASN have changed how I sim with FSX.

 

I now need to check the oil and fuel before my flights and I no longer fly in boring, predictable weather. My flights are exciting and fulfilling.

 

It's going to be difficult for me to buy another Carenado airplane. Maybe at 50% off.

I remember when I was at this stage. Well now I'm a ctrl+E fan - got three children now including my brand new preemie - not much time to sim! These type of planes are perfect for me.

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- got three children now including my brand new preemie

 

Three young ones here too, I literally do my sim flying at 2am!

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Looks pretty good, but will wait for a sale to pick this one up.

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