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Due to poor sales of PC's...Intel has announced yesterday, that they will be cutting 12,000 jobs from their org...or about 11 percent of their entire workforce, due to poor sales of their CPU's.

 

Man, do we all remember the 'days of Intel'...and the sticker moniker , Intel Inside on most every new PC and laptop from the 80's and 90's, coming off everybody's factory floor...

 

The sun sets....at the close of  every technological 'day'.... 

 

I don't think our hobby should be expecting that breakthrough CPU....Moore's Law is finished.....it quietly died in the corner.....and 12,000 corpses are about to be thrown onto the funeral pyre, next month....

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-intel-results-idUSKCN0XG2NM

 

http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/19/technology/intel-layoffs/

 

I hear a match head being struck....

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Due to poor sales of PC's...Intel has announced yesterday, that they will be cutting 12,000 jobs from their org...or about 11 percent of their entire workforce, due to poor sales of their CPU's.

 

Man, do we all remember the 'days of Intel'...and the sticker moniker , Intel Inside on most every new PC and laptop from the 80's and 90's, coming off everybody's factory floor...

 

The sun sets....at the close of  every technological 'day'.... 

 

I don't think our hobby should be expecting that breakthrough CPU....Moore's law is finished.....it quietly died in the corner.....and 12,000 corpses are about to be thrown on the funeral pyre, next month....

 

I hear a match head being struck....

 

I agree Mitch, just read that news. The PC has been in decline for a while now and I see no rebirth of it. It is sad indeed.

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I do not see where they are stopping the development of new processors and chips and Moore's law is finished).  I think automation has taken over where only humans could handle the job in the past.  They only made $2 Billion in profits last year and homes (mansions) and cars are getting more costly for the Executives and so they need more profits (just joking I think).  They will continue to make chips and microprocessors - http://www.engadget.com/2016/03/23/intel-eliminating-tick-tock-moores-law/.  What scares me is the fact new chips and processors will only work in Windows 10.  I suspect Microsoft will do the same when they release Windows 11 to force us to buy a new system (if we upgrade).

 

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In all of the press releases, they also said that they are making a push in the gaming PC market. So I dont care about how they run the rest of their business, as long as I get the processors I want! :wink: . 

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Well, I did my part to help out Intel over the years - bought about five generations of their chips :Tounge:

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In all of the press releases, they also said that they are making a push in the gaming PC market. So I dont care about how they run the rest of their business, as long as I get the processors I want! :wink: . 

 

Hope they are true to their word.

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Jim, I distinctly remember MS stating that Win10 will be the final end number for the series, and that anything "new" will be simply upgrades to Win10...

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What scares me is the fact new chips and processors will only work in Windows 10.  I suspect Microsoft will do the same when they release Windows 11 to force us to buy a new system (if we upgrade).

 

Best regards,

 

A new OS is required for new hardware. I don't see what's scary about moving forward. For years, motherboards haven't been much different when it comes to CPU upgrades - and that's not a free upgrade.

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Hope they are true to their word.

 

I doubt they would lie to analysts. That would be a death sentence for their stock price. 

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Yes Windows 10 is the last release from Microsoft

 

The PC Desktop market doesn't have to be big to move forward. Intel can adapt to its market and still be innovative and profitable. We all know that the PC will be around for a long time just not in every household anymore because Smartphones are now good enough for mass consumers

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The problem is physical, not mental. The fact is, the economic physical limit of CPU speed has been reached. Hang on to your 4Ghz CPU as it's the fastest you'll ever see. At least in my lifetime.

 

Doug

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I don't think our hobby should be expecting that breakthrough CPU....Moore's Law is finished.....it quietly died in the corner.....and 12,000 corpses are about to be thrown onto the funeral pyre, next month....

 

Intel is far from Moore's Law ... it's just that Moore's Law no longer fits Intel's desired profit margins and revenue streams.  Intel WANT the mobile market and have given up the desktop market in order to "attempt" to achieve their goals.  Intel can (and has) made 6GHz CPUs, but the design isn't "efficient", uses more space, uses more power, generates more heat, will cost more to produce making it less "profitable" and small market of potential buyers.

 

I've posted this in other threads, but Intel has NO desktop competition, so there really is no pressing need for them to introduce faster desktop computers -- it's just economics, not really Moore's Law.

 

With that said, there could be some future technologies down the road that will, again, make it attractive (read good profits) to produce faster CPUs ... who knows, maybe it'll give AMD time to catch up ... stranger things have happened ;)

 

Cheers, Rob.

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One day we will be using Quantum and look back at the Binary Generation as a retro wonderment. My old 80486DX4 will always be my favorite Processor from the Intel Generation. FS4 and FS5.1 was as fun back then as FSX is today, but we were seeing many firsts that we take for granted now. 

 

The Pentium brought the PC to the masses and Windows95 dumbed it down for better accessibility for everyone, Prior to that we were an elite bunch of hobbyists

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When you're king of the hill and the competition is 4 years behind in terms of performance I could see why they are cutting jobs. I'm sure some number cruncher came up with that to make their profit margins even larger.

 

PC's aren't going anywhere and nobody is doing any serious work on a tablet or smartphone, no matter how you cut it.

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I like my phone for when I'm bored but it'll never replace my desktop. Honestly this doesn't surprise me we haven't seen any major jumps in cpu tech for years now. I mean we should be at 12ghz by now but we are still amazed when somone gets a chip to 5ghz on an overclock.

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ytzpilot:

 

Quantum computers will probably always be way out of the reach of regular folks due to the near absolute-zero temps needed to run them - unless, of course, there's absolute breakthrough...

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As soon as AMD starts beating Intel in performance, we'll all suddenly get to see those 6GHz Intel CPUs ... how ironic, CPU advancement is dependent on AMD's progress.

 

I hate my phone, I must have dry fingers or something but my phone rarely does what I command it to do, about 50/50 ... and the phone screen size is enough to make anyone go blind without a year or two :)

 

Cheers, Rob.

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With serious competition in the performance desktop segment, those faster Intel CPUs would suddenly materialize at < $300 as if by magic :)

 

However Moore's Law is not coming back. Intel aren't the only ones who have struggled with new manufacturing processes. GPUs have been stuck at 28nm since 2012, and nearly every semiconductor company has struggled when going much below that (Snapdragon 810, NAND flash that fails to retain data and performance etc.) . At the same time, process shrinks haven't resulted in the usual benefits like reduced power consumption and heat. At this small scale of manufacturing, features are literally just atoms across, so the laws of physics become very real.

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Supposing AMD's can produce faster CPU (within the next few years), they would be $1000 not $300 (history would demonstrate that the performance leader typically sells their top tier "desktop" CPUs at around $1000).  Intel would then bring out their 6GHz CPUs at $1200-$1500.

 

Moore's Law is not confined to current "profitable" manufacturing processes.  7nm appears to be the limit of existing "old" technology/manufacture ring.  But we already have quantum computers and beyond that there is neurosynaptic, silicon photonics, carbon nantubes, III-V, graphene, low-power transistors ... etc. etc.

 

The issue is one of economics, there is still plenty of physics left to keep Moore's Law alive and kicking.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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As soon as AMD starts beating Intel in performance, we'll all suddenly get to see those 6GHz Intel CPUs ... how ironic, CPU advancement is dependent on AMD's progress.

 

I hate my phone, I must have dry fingers or something but my phone rarely does what I command it to do, about 50/50 ... and the phone screen size is enough to make anyone go blind without a year or two :)

 

AMD produces both Graphics Chips as well as CPUs and Intel has put graphic processing on their CPUs. I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia started producing CPUs themselves. That might liven things up a bit.

 

Your love for your phone cracked me up. I just bought a Blackberry Classic for the same reason. I don't use many apps on my phone so the trackball and keyboard far outweighs the lack of apps for it. Now I just need to figure out how to turn the touch screen off without turning off the display.

 

Ted 

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I wouldn't be surprised if Nvidia started producing CPUs themselves.

 

Already have, Tegra X1 for their Shield device.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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There you go! As you said, competition is what we need. I'm happy to see that.

 

Ted

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I will claim the sky is falling when it is no longer practical to upgrade to a new PC that has reasonably better performance for my targeted use than the one it replaces.   As for how this unfolds I won't be worried, though I do feel for those losing their jobs.

 

The GPU has replaced the CPU in terms of where the massive performance gains are to be found.   We should (soon) be considering the GPU as essential to computing as the CPU; it has become the modern co-processor and industry is busy exploiting this capability.  I've used GPU based imaging filters whose performance is stunningly fast compared to their CPU counterparts.  Hopefully other such innovations will soon be trickling into the consumer realm.

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There is no impetus for Intel to innovate thus were stuck with marginal side grades for the foreseeable future. They (Intel) are not going to spend millions creating new processes when the only competition is in the bargain segment and they are beholden to their shareholders.

 

Intel just assumes that we are a bunch of lemmings who will run out and spend another thousand on their latest and greatest regardless...and they are partially right, what other viable choice is there for high performance gaming PC?

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Can't say I'm surprised by the poor sales of CPUs. Smartphone sales are way up these days. So instead of using a desktop PC or notebook, everything is done from a phone.

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