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Just wondering how the DC6 for XPlane has sold compared to PMDG products for FSX & P3D. Is there a large amount of XPlane users compared to FSX & P3D? Have you sold enough for XPlane to make it worthwhile to develop more products or would it have been wiser to stick with FSX & P3D? 

I've used all 3 & always found XPlane to be troublesome setting up controls & long load times occasionally. I try to like it but always end up removing it from my computer. I use only P3D now, very stable & smooth (V3.3) no memmory issues, it just works...

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Just wondering how the DC6 for XPlane has sold compared to PMDG products for FSX & P3D. Is there a large amount of XPlane users compared to FSX & P3D? Have you sold enough for XPlane to make it worthwhile to develop more products or would it have been wiser to stick with FSX & P3D? 

I've used all 3 & always found XPlane to be troublesome setting up controls & long load times occasionally. I try to like it but always end up removing it from my computer. I use only P3D now, very stable & smooth (V3.3) no memmory issues, it just works...

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Mark

I doubt very much that PMDG would reveal that kind of information. They've already stated that the sales of the DC-6 would not have any bearing on their further development for X-Plane. It was strictly to be used as a testbed to learn and test developing techniques for X-Plane. 

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I don't understand why they should risk failure with X-Plane and not go with a 'sure earner' and a MD11 for Prepar3d.

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I don't understand why they should risk failure with X-Plane and not go with a 'sure earner' and a MD11 for Prepar3d.

 

It's not like they have 1 team and they have to pick or choose to develop for X-Plane or P3D. DC-6 was just getting their feet wet in XPX as mwilk stated above.

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I don't understand why they should risk failure with X-Plane and not go with a 'sure earner' and a MD11 for Prepar3d.

They apparently didn't feel the MD-11 was a sure earner. That was one of the justifications for not redoing it for P3D, they didn't sell enough for FSX. Personally, I loved the airplane, but business is business.

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I don't understand why they should risk failure with X-Plane and not go with a 'sure earner' and a MD11 for Prepar3d.

Supporting X-Plane is no failure! Its amazing. I am sure PMDG will do very well with future XP products. I myself wouldn't touch FSX or P3D if I had my PMDG 777,737 and MS Q400 in XP.

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If they chose to answer, I'd be OK with "We do not discuss actual sales numbers, but we can say that we (will/will not) continue to support X-Plane for the foreseeable future."

 

I may be wrong, but only publicly owned company's need to divulge such information.

 

In any event, as much as I'd love the PMDG release of the MD11 in P3D, I feel pretty comfortable believing we won't be seeing that...ever :sad:

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Thanks for your replys. I kind of figured PMDG would not respond but I was just curious. They make such in depth & beautiful simulations I just cant wait to see DC6 for P3D. I wish Xplane was not so troublesome for me. P3D v3.3 has been rock solid for me so I will stick with that & wait for 747 & DC6. As you all know PMDG products are worth the wait & price!

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I am curious as to why you are having so much problems with X-Plane. As for loading times - FSX and P3D were far worse for that for me. One bad experience cannot make you judge something in which others have found better experiences than other platforms. I have been using X-Plane for just over 1 year now and love it, having optimised it to my configuration eventhough the setup is a bit of getting used to.

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I don't understand why they should risk failure with X-Plane and not go with a 'sure earner' and a MD11 for Prepar3d.

I'm pretty sure the MD11 would work in P3D it'd be against EULA but since it's not even sold anymore I'm not sure why they would care if you installed it in there

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Just wondering how the DC6 for XPlane has sold compared to PMDG products for FSX & P3D. Is there a large amount of XPlane users compared to FSX & P3D? Have you sold enough for XPlane to make it worthwhile to develop more products or would it have been wiser to stick with FSX & P3D? 

I've used all 3 & always found XPlane to be troublesome setting up controls & long load times occasionally. I try to like it but always end up removing it from my computer. I use only P3D now, very stable & smooth (V3.3) no memmory issues, it just works...

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Mark

 

Did you see the footage for XP-11 from Flight Sim Con? It looks very promising. 

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I'm pretty sure the MD11 would work in P3D it'd be against EULA but since it's not even sold anymore I'm not sure why they would care if you installed it in there

The fact that an item is no longer sold doesn't void the EULA. Owners of the MD-11 own a license to use the software in FSX, that's it. 

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Supporting Xplane is great cause, neglecting the client base of FSX is not understandable, I went through many reviews to Xplane and I decide I will not buy it for now, so the question is why focusing on thousands of users and neglecting a confirmed profit form 10s of thousands of FSX customers? ..... I don't get it 

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neglecting the client base of FSX is not understandable

 

I'm not sure where you get the idea that PMDG is ignoring the FSX users. This aircraft was developed so that PMDG could learn the ins and outs of X-Plane. That was its' main purpose. Apparently, PMDG feels that X-Plane has a future that they want to be a part of. The DC-6 will be made available for FSX\P3D in the future. They've been at this for a long time so I trust they know what they're doing.

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Supporting Xplane is great cause, neglecting the client base of FSX is not understandable, I went through many reviews to Xplane and I decide I will not buy it for now, so the question is why focusing on thousands of users and neglecting a confirmed profit form 10s of thousands of FSX customers? ..... I don't get it 

 

When, exactly did we say that we were only releasing the DC-6 for X-Plane?

 

If you look - even casually - at the majority of our posts about the DC-6, you'll note that we have been quite clear about its movement back into FSX and P3D after the XPL release gets situated.

 

Heck, look at the first shots of the DC-6 that we ever made public and compare them to FSX and XPL...which sim were those pictures taken in?

http://www.avsim.com/topic/361760-secret-project-1-this-one-is-a-classic/

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Supporting Xplane is great cause, neglecting the client base of FSX is not understandable, I went through many reviews to Xplane and I decide I will not buy it for now, so the question is why focusing on thousands of users and neglecting a confirmed profit form 10s of thousands of FSX customers? ..... I don't get it 

 

Basically PMDG are ignoring the FSX users by making them a 747v3. 

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Basically PMDG are ignoring the FSX users by making them a 747v3. 

Don't you mean v.2?

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Don't you mean v.2?

 

Technically v3:

 

PMDG_744BCF_wing.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

V1: Original FS9 Version

V2: Re-done FSX Version

V3: Ground-up rebuild of today's standards.

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The following never cease to amaze me:

 

1) You guys will argue with one another over ANYTHING.  ("Oh look- lint!"  "No- it is fuzz."  "NO I SAID IT WAS LINT!"  etc.)

2) Some folks just make NO effort to educate themselves prior to offering completely uninformed conjecture.  We post our development agenda and thought process over and over...  Thank you to those who read it and try to disabuse the non-readers of their ignorance...

3) Some folks think our decision making is binary.  We are fairly sizable team- we don't work on a single project at a time...

 

There are other points- but i'm making myself grumpy just recounting them. 

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The following never cease to amaze me:

 

1) You guys will argue with one another over ANYTHING.  ("Oh look- lint!"  "No- it is fuzz."  "NO I SAID IT WAS LINT!"  etc.)

2) Some folks just make NO effort to educate themselves prior to offering completely uninformed conjecture.  We post our development agenda and thought process over and over...  Thank you to those who read it and try to disabuse the non-readers of their ignorance...

3) Some folks think our decision making is binary.  We are fairly sizable team- we don't work on a single project at a time...

 

There are other points- but i'm making myself grumpy just recounting them. 

 

 

Hey, grumpy is good too.  It's healthy for old men to be grumpy. 

 

The DC6 is an amazing work in X-Plane.  I am gravitating more and more to X-Plane and the more that I use it, the more cozy and comfortable I become with it.

Of course I am still using the heck out of P3Dv.3.5, because of the greater variety of aircraft and beautiful scenery and airports available, but actually I am preferring the flight models of X-Plane now.

My advise to people getting frustrated with X-Plane's user interface, is to stay with it.  It will grow on you, especially with the great plug-ins available.  Just Google "essential plugins for X-Plane". The plugins that have been developed are what make it sooo nice.

I love night flying in X-Plane. It's breath taking. "X-Life" has made the airports come alive. Pilot2ATC gives outstanding ATC in X-Plane, along with a great moving map. FSGRW along with SkyMaxx makes great weather.

...I'm loving it.  :smile:

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Pilot2ATC gives outstanding ATC in X-Plane, along with a great moving map

 

For X-Plane!!  Very good,  I didn't know that  

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Supporting Xplane is great cause, neglecting the client base of FSX is not understandable, I went through many reviews to Xplane and I decide I will not buy it for now, so the question is why focusing on thousands of users and neglecting a confirmed profit form 10s of thousands of FSX customers? ..... I don't get it 

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Nice thread, I somehow totally missed the DC6 was teased in 2012 for FSX before being released to XP10 in 2016, and will be brought back to FSX/P3D by 2020 I presume?  Interesting.

 

Curious, as I don't own the DC6 simply because I can't fully commit to XP no matter how hard I try, you mention it is nothing compared to an A2A aircraft in Kyle's linked post.  I assume this still stands?  Their Connie does look sweet and is a day one buy.

 

Look forward to the ported P3D version of your 6.

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For X-Plane!!  Very good,  I didn't know that  

 

Yes!  Pilot2ATC works really good for X-Plane.  It is voice controlled, and using IVONA voices, sounds close to real ATC. It does a pretty good job of understand what you say to it.

It comes with a flight planner that has AIRACS with SIDS and STARS, that can be updated through NavDataPro.

It also can help control your radios by showing the frequencies that you need and when you click on them they go to your standby frequency window, which is handy.

The moving map is excellent. It shows actual Earth textures, like Google Earth, both hi and lo altitude sectionals and a street map.  All with your flight plan.

It can also be set up for ATC chatter.

I believe it is very good for practicing to use PilotEdge. I believe it is well worth the price.

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Curious, as I don't own the DC6 simply because I can't fully commit to XP no matter how hard I try, you mention it is nothing compared to an A2A aircraft in Kyle's linked post.  I assume this still stands?  Their Connie does look sweet and is a day one buy.

 

It ended up quite a bit closer to what A2A does in the end versus what RSR had originally said about it - we added a maintenance pop-up for dealing with the effects of engine damage (both MP overboost and high CHT), oil level, water level for the injection system and stuff like that. Treating the engines badly, ignoring icing and so on will negatively affect the airplane.

 

We're all very much looking forward to A2A's Connie here too - that's going to be an amazing product for sure.

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