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Would upgrading from Win 7 -> Win 10 make P3D run better?

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I'm currently using Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit, I'm thinking about upgrading to Windows 10 for the future of gaming because of DirectX 12, and also X-Box games will be also be able to run on Windows 10 as well.

 

But as far as flight simming goes, will I get better performance running flight sims such as P3D and X-Plane 10 in Windows 10 vs Windows 7? Is it worth it? Will I lose any functionality going to Windows 10?

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I was in your shoes and I can honestly say that I saw no real performance difference going from Win7Ult to Win10.  I was able to get Win10Pro last year and after installing everything I had before, including all my sim content, plus running it, everything seemed the same.  You may be future-proofing your system by upgrading (plus it's still free to upgrade rather than shelling out $120 later) but as far as better performance, I believe that is left to the application and not the OS.  P3D v3 runs very well these days but I couldn't attribute that to Windows 10, that honor goes to the those who work on the application.

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Same here: No difference at all, at least non I could detect, neither better nor worse.

 

I was in hope to benefit from DX12 quickly if developers would add it at least as an option, but reality told me otherwise. 

 

Kind regards, Michael 

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I'm running Win 10 Pro and the experience is at least as good as on the Windows 7 I upgraded from.   Do a clean install and and you will wonder why you waited.

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Short and clear answer - no. 

 

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I was in your shoes and I can honestly say that I saw no real performance difference going from Win7Ult to Win10.  I was able to get Win10Pro last year and after installing everything I had before, including all my sim content, plus running it, everything seemed the same.  You may be future-proofing your system by upgrading (plus it's still free to upgrade rather than shelling out $120 later) but as far as better performance, I believe that is left to the application and not the OS.  P3D v3 runs very well these days but I couldn't attribute that to Windows 10, that honor goes to the those who work on the application.

 

With all the enterprise customers running windows 7, it will most likely be around longer than your present computer. 

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With all the enterprise customers running windows 7, it will most likely be around longer than your present computer. 

Was the reply to the quote you made from me, directed to me?  Not sure how to respond.

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Was the reply to the quote you made from me, directed to me?  Not sure how to respond.

 

Look carefully at my post. 

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Look carefully at my post. 

If I look any more careful, I'll break the screen.  Sorry, not seeing it....moving on.

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If I look any more careful, I'll break the screen.  Sorry, not seeing it....moving on.

 

OK, in your comment you mentioned "future proofing your system"  My reply stated that with all the enterprise users ( businesses) using Windows 7, Windows 7 will most likely be around for longer that someone's computer will be. Right now, Windows 10 only has a market share of 19%, versus around 50% for Windows 7. Windows 10 isn't exactly setting the world on fire, especially when you consider it is free ( for now). Many suspect that once people have installed W 10 it won't be very long before MS rolls out a subscription fee for updating W10 ( just like they have done for Office) , since they plan to keep W 10 forever. There will be no Windows 11. 

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Conspiracy theories aside, in the computing world, it's all about progress.  Didn't we just go through all of this when MS decided to end all support for XP?  If you read the trades, you'll see the word "fragmentation" come up in discussion.  I can wholeheartedly agree that fragmentation is causing problems for software developers because they have to staff people to help fix issues users have with older (legacy) products.  For devs to save time and money, they want to close that gap.

 

As far as businesses using Enterprise, my company is not one of them, and it's part of a huge global construction conglomerate.  Don't forget about Apple and Linux too, but we aren't here to debate numbers.  The OP just wanted to know if there was any performance benefit switching from 7 to 10.  To clarify my original statement about that, while there isn't any appreciable difference, it isn't to the negative, meaning that 10 doesn't make things worse.

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But as far as flight simming goes, will I get better performance running flight sims such as P3D and X-Plane 10 in Windows 10 vs Windows 7?

 

No - there is no noticeable difference in performance between Win7 and Win10 as it relates to flight simulations. I've noticed some slight efficiencies in overall desktop performance with Win10 vs. Win7, which may be attributable to the new UI, some or other under-the-hood improvements, but nothing on its own which would be compelling to switch.

 

 

 

Is it worth it?

 

If you are concerned about someday "needing" to move to Win10 and missing out on the free upgrade period, then from a financial perspective it probably is worth it.

 

 

 

Will I lose any functionality going to Windows 10?

 

From a flight simulation perspective, there are a select few old addons which may not function properly under Win10, but most of them are also limited to FSX. If you're flying P3D, I'd say the vast vast majority of your addons will be functionally fine. Still, if you have older addons you consider essential that you've shoehorned into P3D somehow, you may wish to do some personal research on various forums for reports of other users successes or failures.

 

Ultimately, there will be a crowd which follows the "if it isn't broken, don't fix it" philosophy, and this is 100% fine. If your Win7 install is humming along nice, there probably isn't a compelling reason to make the switch. But as you note, the eventual rollout of DX12 capable titles and the X-Box tie-ins are of interest to you and those can be compelling personal reasons to make the switch if you so choose.

 

P3D and X-Plane both work well under Windows 10 - no better and no worse than Windows 7. Go for it!

 

(*Like Harold_Finch mentioned, a full clean install is a nice step to take as well - look up the system Windows 10 reset features to see how you can do it if you decide to go that route.)

 

-Greg

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Conspiracy theories aside, in the computing world, it's all about progress.  Didn't we just go through all of this when MS decided to end all support for XP?  If you read the trades, you'll see the word "fragmentation" come up in discussion.  I can wholeheartedly agree that fragmentation is causing problems for software developers because they have to staff people to help fix issues users have with older (legacy) products.  For devs to save time and money, they want to close that gap.

 

As far as businesses using Enterprise, my company is not one of them, and it's part of a huge global construction conglomerate.  Don't forget about Apple and Linux too, but we aren't here to debate numbers.  The OP just wanted to know if there was any performance benefit switching from 7 to 10.  To clarify my original statement about that, while there isn't any appreciable difference, it isn't to the negative, meaning that 10 doesn't make things worse.

 

 

Conspiracy theory you said.....http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-prices-windows-10-enterprise-subscription-at-84-per-user-per-year/

 

This is the first shoe dropping   

 

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ZDNet?  Taken with a grain of salt....

Oh Please!!! The article is by Mary Joe Foley, and I'm betting you have no idea who she is....

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AFAIK, ZDNet is a respected publication in the IT circles and is often quoted in the 'Trades'.

 

And that same theory has also been touted in a UK  'trade' publication.

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I updated last night and am very happy with the choice as it saved me $120 from not having to upgrade to Windows 7 Professional to get past my 16gb memory limit of home premium. After I turned off/uninstalled all the bloatware and turned off the spycrap 10 feels much snappier than 7 and just for an FYI I upgraded not a clean install and it worked fine. I also gained about 15gb of space on my 120gb OS only SSD by moving to 10

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Oh Please!!! The article is by Mary Joe Foley, and I'm betting you have no idea who she is....

And I really don't care.  Yet another "expert" out there, driving capitalism.

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And I really don't care.  Yet another "expert" out there, driving capitalism.

 

I can see you don't know very much about Microsoft or the people that have been working with the company for years and years. Continuing this conversation is a waste of time.  

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I can see you don't know very much about Microsoft or the people that have been working with the company for years and years. Continuing this conversation is a waste of time.  

Insults get you nowhere Bob.  I see respect is right out the window.

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So if I currently have Windows 7 Ultimate installed, Windows 10 is a free update? How would I go about updating, is there a website I need to go to or can I do it from the built-in Windows 7 updater?

 

How long does the process take to upgrade? I don't feel like doing a clean install, that would take forever to reinstall and set everything back up again.

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Hey Aaron, there may be an icon in the task tray for the Win10 upgrade or I think you can check the updates section in control panel to see if your Win7 is registered with MS, and if it is you can upgrade to Win10 before 29/7/2016.

 

Improvements to performance came with Win8. Win8 had changes to the core graphics handling, networking, and memory management. Dual booting a setup back then produced around 2-3% improvement in FSX boxed. Also Win 8 booted up considerably faster. I was glad to see the back of Win7 back then.

 

Win 8.1 didn't improve matters, and there's none to speak of in Win10, other than it keeps up nicely with emerging hardware such as DX12 GPUs as you mentioned.

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So you're saying after that date, it will be a paid update to get Windows 10? I might as well do it now then.

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You can go back if you select the option before upgrading. If you have a very complex sim setup with lots of controls and so on, it may throw up some problems. In the end you will get it to work, perhaps having to reinstall some drivers or obtaining updates. If you really only ever sit down at the PC and run the next flight, then maybe consider keeping as-is, until maybe you get a new PC. But yes will cost maybe over $100 after the cutoff date.

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I recently upgraded to W10. While I am not disappointed that I did, I'm indifferent about 'better performance' - although certainly no worse.

 

However, it IS stable, and I have not had a single driver issue or sim related anomaly. Everything has worked very well. I'm glad I upgraded. But again, if your current setup is stable, don't mess with it.

 

If you do decide to go ahead - make sure you do a clean install, and not just an upgrade.

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