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I am switching to p3d soon and I was curious if I had to re purchase all of my existing pmdg products for use in p3d.

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The reason I ask this question is I believe i heard an free update was available to existing customers of pmdg products.

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You have to purchase everything again. There isn't an update from FSX to P3D and certainly not a free one: I really wonder where you heard that because it's a well known fact that PMDG doesn't do things like that for free.

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Also, you will only get aircraft that will only work in P3D v3.xxx, once they go to v4.xxx. You will have to pay again.

 

It's my hope that P3D makes it to 64 bit, DX12 in V3.xxx. If not, I'll be a grumpy-Gus.

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I thought PMDG said they are going to support current owners through 64bit.

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I hope so! P3D prices are a bit spendy as is, I'd hate to have to buy them a second time. I could see a modest upgrade price for existing customers from P3D 3.xx to 4.xx versions.

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Also, you will only get aircraft that will only work in P3D v3.xxx, once they go to v4.xxx. You will have to pay again.

 

It's my hope that P3D makes it to 64 bit, DX12 in V3.xxx. If not, I'll be a grumpy-Gus.

 

Can you show us where this was stated? I'm planning on moving to P3D this weekend, but if this is the case I'll wait.

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Can you show us where this was stated? I'm planning on moving to P3D this weekend, but if this is the case I'll wait.

From their facebook page... (https://www.facebook.com/pmdgsimulations/posts/878150648891387 my exchange is the last on this post.)

 

You will get the 64 bit update ONLY if it happens in v3.xxx.  If for any reason P3D goes to v4.xxx for 64 bit, (which seems reasonable based on what everyone else has done), you will pay again.  They've said that they 'expect' it to happen in v3.xxx, but there are no guarantees. (I'm keeping my fingers crossed though.. I love the 739)

 

I've gone ahead and re-purchased 737 base and expansion for P3D but I'm having an registry error for P3D that I'm trying to sort out..  I've installed 737 only to find that none of the gauges, switches, screens, etc...  worked.  However, I'm not entirely certain it's a PMDG issue.  Until I can get P3D to install with no errors I'm not flying.

 

That being said.. the bit of flying that I DID do in P3D was awesome..  graphics are MUCH better, more features and just seems a lot smoother all around.  Now to get my scenery issues sorted.

 

 

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You will get the 64 bit update ONLY if it happens in v3.xxx.  If for any reason P3D goes to v4.xxx for 64 bit, (which seems reasonable based on what everyone else has done), you will pay again.

 

That isn't likely to encourage me to upgrade to v4.

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I am not sure about that, i was running PMDG aircraft on 2.5 before moving to 3.  As far as i am aware they were compatible with 3 out of the box.  I would guess that (with the exception of 64-bit already mentioned) PMDG would look at the amount of work involved in getting them to work in V4 before making a price decision. 

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Guys,

 

We haven't specifically stated where the cut over will be. All we've said is "we anticipate" X, Y, or Z. As an example, we have stated before that your current license will likely carry you through the 64 bit update, which we had anticipated as coming out sometime in the 3.X time frame. We have also stated before that your current license will likely carry you through at least the 3.X versions. That could mean that it would carry you through 5, or 6, or even a later version, but it could also only carry you through the end of 3.

 

"Some have expressed concern about forward compatibility with LM version changes.  We have already indicated that our current product licensing will carry you through at least v3.x and x64bit conversion, which we anticipate taking place in v3.x... based on publicly available information.)  I am unable to predict what will happen beyond this, but at that point we are likely a good 2 years out and we will evaluate what is fair for the marketplace at that time."

http://www.avsim.com/topic/461729-08feb15-p3d-pricing-policy-some-facts-on-this-issue/

 

Please be careful about how you repeat this information here in the forum. When it comes to official stuff like this, it may be best to link people to the information instead of paraphrasing. I have a feeling that's how some in this thread got to the incorrect information: prior paraphrasing by others.

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Guys,

 

We haven't specifically stated where the cut over will be. All we've said is "we anticipate" X, Y, or Z. As an example, we have stated before that your current license will likely carry you through the 64 bit update, which we had anticipated as coming out sometime in the 3.X time frame. We have also stated before that your current license will likely carry you through at least the 3.X versions. That could mean that it would carry you through 5, or 6, or even a later version, but it could also only carry you through the end of 3.

 

"Some have expressed concern about forward compatibility with LM version changes.  We have already indicated that our current product licensing will carry you through at least v3.x and x64bit conversion, which we anticipate taking place in v3.x... based on publicly available information.)  I am unable to predict what will happen beyond this, but at that point we are likely a good 2 years out and we will evaluate what is fair for the marketplace at that time."

http://www.avsim.com/topic/461729-08feb15-p3d-pricing-policy-some-facts-on-this-issue/

 

Please be careful about how you repeat this information here in the forum. When it comes to official stuff like this, it may be best to link people to the information instead of paraphrasing. I have a feeling that's how some in this thread got to the incorrect information: prior paraphrasing by others.

 

Kyle,

 

I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not but I did point to the exchange, not just my portion of it, regarding the pricing decision for P3D.  I believe it to be a fair-go to alert someone that is already concerned about the cost of migrating to P3D..  just as I feel that the prices charged for the migration were high.  I cannot say that I recall a single instance of where a developer did not offer a cross-grade license or pricing for existing customers...  and I buy a lot of software.   I did not mean for it to be inflammatory or derisive..  just fair warning.

 

I'm still not sure that I will buy the 777 licenses that I had for FSX..  I can't seem to get the 737 working. and following the P3D install advice, (re:simconnect), just made things worse. For what it cost, it should have worked right out of the box, but that's a topic for another thread.

 

Danny

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I thought PMDG said they are going to support current owners through 64bit.

Thats what I remember they said as well! Thats the only reason I purchased it for P3D.

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Guys,

 

We haven't specifically stated where the cut over will be. All we've said is "we anticipate" X, Y, or Z. As an example, we have stated before that your current license will likely carry you through the 64 bit update, which we had anticipated as coming out sometime in the 3.X time frame. We have also stated before that your current license will likely carry you through at least the 3.X versions. That could mean that it would carry you through 5, or 6, or even a later version, but it could also only carry you through the end of 3.

 

"Some have expressed concern about forward compatibility with LM version changes.  We have already indicated that our current product licensing will carry you through at least v3.x and x64bit conversion, which we anticipate taking place in v3.x... based on publicly available information.)  I am unable to predict what will happen beyond this, but at that point we are likely a good 2 years out and we will evaluate what is fair for the marketplace at that time."

http://www.avsim.com/topic/461729-08feb15-p3d-pricing-policy-some-facts-on-this-issue/

 

Please be careful about how you repeat this information here in the forum. When it comes to official stuff like this, it may be best to link people to the information instead of paraphrasing. I have a feeling that's how some in this thread got to the incorrect information: prior paraphrasing by others.

Thanks for the clarification, Kyle. I will think on it a bit longer and then make the decision to move forward to P3D. In the meantime I'll upgrade the old PC a bit to keep me busy.

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I'm not sure if that was directed at me or not but I did point to the exchange, not just my portion of it, regarding the pricing decision for P3D.  I believe it to be a fair-go to alert someone that is already concerned about the cost of migrating to P3D..  just as I feel that the prices charged for the migration were high.  I cannot say that I recall a single instance of where a developer did not offer a cross-grade license or pricing for existing customers...  and I buy a lot of software.   I did not mean for it to be inflammatory or derisive..  just fair warning.

 

It was, partially. Your earlier post was obviously a warning, but there's a difference between our actual stance and what you put out there as what you believe our official stance to be, and as you can see even in the latest post above mine, there's a bit of confusion, caused in part by your incorrect post.

 

Earlier, you stated:

"You will get the 64 bit update ONLY if it happens in v3.xxx."

We never said this.

 

You then went on to say:

"If for any reason P3D goes to v4.xxx for 64 bit, (which seems reasonable based on what everyone else has done), you will pay again."

We also never said this.

 

I'm all for putting information out there and making sure people know what they're getting into before they get into something, but there's a huge difference between saying there is a chance something will happen, and that something will happen. That's where the issue is. Yes, there will be a point where people will need to get a new license. No, the points you mentioned were never stated by us, specifically. We haven't gotten to the point where that decision is to be made yet.

 

 

 

I'm still not sure that I will buy the 777 licenses that I had for FSX..  I can't seem to get the 737 working. and following the P3D install advice, (re:simconnect), just made things worse. For what it cost, it should have worked right out of the box, but that's a topic for another thread.

 

Software is only as good as the environment that you put it in, however. If there are issues on your computer, then a developer can't be held entirely responsible. With tools like the Estonia Migration Tool - a tool that has the sole purpose of obfuscating Win registry entries - and general computer upkeep issues, it's impossible to cover all of it. Expecting that the price of software will automatically make it immune to human error, and negative interactions with other software isn't really fair. In fact, one of the reasons of the increased costs of a support contract (the price point that you'd criticized on the Facebook page) is to have near-instant access to one of us (on top of having commercial use of the product) to troubleshoot configuration issues.

 

The computer I built this past November cost me over $3K. That's a decent chunk of change. Is it reasonable to expect it to work as soon as I throw it all together? Nope. Same with software. It's all made to work together, but that's assuming you've done it correctly, and the computer is in reasonable shape. If someone else's software did something stupid to the registry, there's only so much we can do without being invasive, or subjecting people to waiting while the installer runs a full scan of their computer to find the sim location that the Win registry couldn't point it to.

 

As far as your registry issue goes, I'm guessing it's likely a bad registry entry (either through the use of the EMT - avoid it, get rid of it - or the Prepar3D installer not setting the key properly). See this P3D article for the registry location and ensure that these values are pointing to your actual P3D install location:

http://www.prepar3d.com/SDKv2/LearningCenter/getting_help/getting_help.html

 

 

 

EDIT: Corrected comp cost - hit the wrong numpad button.

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Kyle,

If I have the wrong impression, then I apologize..  but even after reading the comments here and going back to re-read the post on FB as well as the comments, whilst not explicitly stated, the impression I have still leads me to the same conclusion.  I hope, for everyone's sake, that 64bit does come along and the transition will be relatively easy.  After reading your comments here,  my hope grows.

As for the last bit..  for that I humbly apologize...   It was a LONG day yesterday and after a fresh install of PMDG on top of a fresh install of P3D I was pretty churlish when my expectations weren't met..  It, however, seems to be resolved this morning and I am looking forward to spending some time 'flying' today.

If I have come off as stroppy and troublesome, that was not my intent.  I've lurked around the forums for a bit and see that you have and are doing good things for people and the LAST thing I want to do is get on your bad side.  As for PMDG, I love the products themselves and have been a customer since 2010 (747!!!!!).

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 Danny are you still having install problems? The product does work. Have you tried deleting all versions and redownload PMDG that your using. I think I had this error but cannot remember what I did. I thought it was a dll file. Not sure.

  I would re buy and PMDg product if the next version was for 64bit P3D. A game that will use  more than one core and more than 8gb or Ram, hell yeah!!!. I am using 6700k skylake and 32 of ddr4 ram with an old GTX 970 card soon to be GTX 1080. I am getting at payware airports 25-35 fps inside the cockpit and outside 45-60 depending on the scenery. Not bad for me , as I went back to playing the sim again as it is worthwhile now

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Kyle,

 

If I have the wrong impression, then I apologize..  but even after reading the comments here and going back to re-read the post on FB as well as the comments, whilst not explicitly stated, the impression I have still leads me to the same conclusion.  I hope, for everyone's sake, that 64bit does come along and the transition will be relatively easy.  After reading your comments here,  my hope grows.

 

As for the last bit..  for that I humbly apologize...   It was a LONG day yesterday and after a fresh install of PMDG on top of a fresh install of P3D I was pretty churlish when my expectations weren't met..  It, however, seems to be resolved this morning and I am looking forward to spending some time 'flying' today.

 

If I have come off as stroppy and troublesome, that was not my intent.  I've lurked around the forums for a bit and see that you have and are doing good things for people and the LAST thing I want to do is get on your bad side.  As for PMDG, I love the products themselves and have been a customer since 2010 (747!!!!!).

Been there! I should stay off the forums while I'm going through a complete re-installation of Windows the sim and add-ons. Reminds me of a line in the movie Sideways, "Did you drink and dial?!"

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I only purchased the ngx because i believed pmdg said they would support costumers up to & including the 64 bit version of p3d . that was the reason for the higher price & i thought that was fair.

I would expect to get that support weather its version p3dv3.3 or p3dv6.1 64 bit  although if i had to pay a upgrade price for the 64 bit 737 that would be ok :good:

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The reason I ask this question is I believe i heard an free update was available to existing customers of pmdg products.

 

The world of FS is not only available to aircraft, but is available to Scenery too. Regarding the move to P3D (current versions v3.x) from FSX, almost 100% of your previously bought Scenery will work well under P3D, with some rare exceptions, and some with some minor imperfections that for instance, have not been an issue for me. Regarding aircraft, the situation is different, and some of them will not work well under P3D, but others will do. As they are more complex (like PMDG, Coolsky DC9/MD80, Level-D 767, and other similar ones), they are less compatible with P3D. In some other cases, for instance, the Aerosoft Airbus Series A318-A320, if you have their latest version for FSX I think you have access to them for P3D as well for free, since they are made for both platforms. My recommendation is to look into each respective forums to see the notes about compatibility with P3D and you'll be all set. AirDailyX.net used to publish a compatibility list of addons for each new version of P3D that was very useful and I would recommend to look at their site and download the latest one.

 

After being an user of FSX until end-2014 when I decided to move to P3Dv2.4 (at the time), I had never looked back, P3D is for me a completely upgraded FSX platform and has added a huge realism to my FS and my interest for the nice hobby we have, and is worth to spend some bucks in.

 

Cheers, Ed

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You will find your transition from FSX to P3D relatively cheap, painless and certainly well worth it. Once you've bought P3D itself every developer bar one will give you free P3D versions of software you already own.

 

It remains cheap as long as you don't want to fly PMDG stuff.

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It is more than just one developer that requires payment for different sim versions...

 

A2A (completely separate with no upgrade pricing, other than offers on release sometimes), RealAir (offers cross-platform upgrade pricing)

 

As well as one or two scenery developers even nowadays...

 

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It remains cheap as long as you don't want to fly PMDG stuff.

 

And that is my concern as a PMDG Cultist...I eagerly await the 744v2 but shudder to think of the pricing of it for P3D.

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And that is my concern as a PMDG Cultist...I eagerly await the 744v2 but shudder to think of the pricing of it for P3D.

 

It'll be expensive but then you have to pay for quality; and the issue won't be as acute because those of us who have switched P3D won't be buying twice as we've been forced to in the past.

 

My comments above refer more to the disconnect between PMDGs upgrade policy (by which I mean FSX - P3D) and other developers.

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My comments above refer more to the disconnect between PMDGs upgrade policy (by which I mean FSX - P3D) and other developers.

 

It's not an upgrade. It's an entirely different platform for an entirely different purpose.

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