Sorry. Like the others holding this view, you are dreaming. Do you have any real world flying experience to support your belief.

 

A real cockpit does not look or feel like a typical computer screen. You may be able to find things, given time, but you won't be clicking a mouse on a limited area.

 

Why assume you will be in a nice stable situation ready to use autoland. Will you be familiar with that particular route and it's associated procedures. What about terrain and safety heights.

 

On entering the cockpit, how long do you think it would take you, in real life, not fantasy land, to establish what is happening and where you are and what you need to do next. I can assure you it will take much longer than you might think.

 

As for manual flying, forget it.

 

Well I have 3300 hours, and I'm currently captain in a regional airline.

 

and no you are kidding, if they can press the buttons in the sim, they can press them in real life, they can talk on the radio for frequencies, routings etc. yes you will have nerves, but with auto land/autothrottle etc, a prior knowledge of the systems and someone talking them down. no problems at all imo.

 

yeah manual flying is something else.

Manual flying is always a danger and/or can be fatal for the untrained. This ain't the movies folks..

Reminds me of a hanger flying session with a few CFI's where one said "it is our job to keep a student alive until they teach themselves how to fly." :wink:

Well I have 3300 hours, and I'm currently captain in a regional airline.

 

and no you are kidding, if they can press the buttons in the sim, they can press them in real life, they can talk on the radio for frequencies, routings etc. yes you will have nerves, but with auto land/autothrottle etc, a prior knowledge of the systems and someone talking them down. no problems at all imo.

 

yeah manual flying is something else.

Firstly, congratulations on getting a captaincy, which I believe can be quite difficult these days. You'll certainly have more operating experience than me with push button systems.

My own background is not on modern aircraft. I was flying through the 1960s and 70s in the RAF.  I can hardly believe how lucky I was  to have experienced those times, but the fatality rate was quite high.

 

I can agree with you on some of the points you make, like pressing buttons or even managing radio transmissions, which could be possible in reasonable conditions. But as you well know, in many areas, the skilled bit is getting from cruising altitude to the runway, without hitting anything inbetween. If they could get onto an ILS intercept they could probably manage an autoland, providing nothing else was causing problems.

 

But think stormy conditions, with turbulence in cloud inducing disorientation. Even on autopilot it requires training to discount false balance sensations and believe the instruments. Could a novice do that.

 

 

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well we could go mad and say there was a tornado on final approach. but i do honestly think that if you were proficient with say, the 737NGX. that you could, with coaching from the ground. get it down, apocalyptic weather conditions not withstanding

 

And thank you! You must have had some great experiences!

In the early days we still had a very large air force and a lot of freedom. On the other hand it was the height of the cold war, and it felt very real. Despite that, the general feeling was that we could not believe we were doing what we had dreamed of, and were being paid for it.

 

By the mid 70s the financial cuts were biting and things became much more restricted. And when looking back, we tend to forget how uncomfortable ejection seats were after a couple of hours, and the lack of proper cockpit heating at altitude, or lack of cooling at low level in hot climates. Somehow it didn't seem to matter too much.

Let me see if I understand your fantasy now.

 

Both crewmembers happen to pass out (but not in a way that is harmful, really bad fish) suddenly before they even have a chance to declare a "medical emergency" initiate a descent and land the aircraft. As this terrible fish is knocking them unconscious they have the presence of mind to unlock the flight deck door. A flight attendant finds the unconscious crew with enough time to go "Oh, help is their a pilot in the house?" Swagger and suave Mr. Microsoft Flight Simulator expert stands up and yells, "I'll save this airplane! I have 100,000 hours flying on VATSIM, am a Senior Super Duper Command ATP Captain with EastWest Virtual Airlines, and I am rated in and a Senior Check Captain for everything that ever flown or will ever fly." The Flight Attendant, clearly impressed, takes you to the flight deck where you move one of the 170-200 pound crew out of the way, you clean the vomit off the headsets before placing them on your head and ever so calmly stating "Atlanta Center, this is Captain Super Star flying this here 737-800 and I'm going to bring her in for an emergency landing at Atlanta Hartsfield, so you better tell all them Delta boys to get out of my way."

 

Center just happens to have the Chief of Training for 737s sitting right next to him when you called. Of course you are a Senior Super Duper Command ATC Captain, you don't need no lip from some weak minded Chief of Training. Real pilots fly they don't teach. Tell that old man to shut up. It also just so happens that the 737-800 in which this crew happen to pass out in was optioned and ordered with Autoland and it is operational. Who cares about the limitations of autoland, because limitations are for wimps. Besides you never had an autoland fail because the cross winds were a little out.

 

You set up the FMS, tune in the ILS and dive the airplane toward Georgia telling ATC to, "move em or lose em." You slide the Guppy down the ILS ignoring the series of EICAS messages as nonsense and the airplane thumps gloriously onto 9L. There is a loud applause from the rear of the airplane as you try to taxi the airplane off the runway not understanding why the rudder pedals are ineffective. What do you mean tiller, there ain't no tiller on the PMDG 737. Clearly Boeing got it wrong. No matter you are an emergency aircraft and will taxi right across the grass, its not like airplanes ever get stuck in the grass in Flight Simulator, right?

 

You greet the passengers as the jump down the inflatable slide and by the end of the day you have nearly a dozen proposals, an offer by Clint Eastwood to make your movie and a call from Tom Cruise asking if he can play your role.

 

Did I miss anything in this fantasy? :smile:

May I refer simmers to All Nippon Airways Flight 61? Hope nobody has these ideas any more.

Let me see if I understand your fantasy now.

 

Both crewmembers happen to pass out (but not in a way that is harmful, really bad fish) suddenly before they even have a chance to declare a "medical emergency" initiate a descent and land the aircraft. As this terrible fish is knocking them unconscious they have the presence of mind to unlock the flight deck door. A flight attendant finds the unconscious crew with enough time to go "Oh, help is their a pilot in the house?" Swagger and suave Mr. Microsoft Flight Simulator expert stands up and yells, "I'll save this airplane! I have 100,000 hours flying on VATSIM, am a Senior Super Duper Command ATP Captain with EastWest Virtual Airlines, and I am rated in and a Senior Check Captain for everything that ever flown or will ever fly." The Flight Attendant, clearly impressed, takes you to the flight deck where you move one of the 170-200 pound crew out of the way, you clean the vomit off the headsets before placing them on your head and ever so calmly stating "Atlanta Center, this is Captain Super Star flying this here 737-800 and I'm going to bring her in for an emergency landing at Atlanta Hartsfield, so you better tell all them Delta boys to get out of my way."

 

Center just happens to have the Chief of Training for 737s sitting right next to him when you called. Of course you are a Senior Super Duper Command ATC Captain, you don't need no lip from some weak minded Chief of Training. Real pilots fly they don't teach. Tell that old man to shut up. It also just so happens that the 737-800 in which this crew happen to pass out in was optioned and ordered with Autoland and it is operational. Who cares about the limitations of autoland, because limitations are for wimps. Besides you never had an autoland fail because the cross winds were a little out.

 

You set up the FMS, tune in the ILS and dive the airplane toward Georgia telling ATC to, "move em or lose em." You slide the Guppy down the ILS ignoring the series of EICAS messages as nonsense and the airplane thumps gloriously onto 9L. There is a loud applause from the rear of the airplane as you try to taxi the airplane off the runway not understanding why the rudder pedals are ineffective. What do you mean tiller, there ain't no tiller on the PMDG 737. Clearly Boeing got it wrong. No matter you are an emergency aircraft and will taxi right across the grass, its not like airplanes ever get stuck in the grass in Flight Simulator, right?

 

You greet the passengers as the jump down the inflatable slide and by the end of the day you have nearly a dozen proposals, an offer by Clint Eastwood to make your movie and a call from Tom Cruise asking if he can play your role.

 

Did I miss anything in this fantasy? :smile:

I hope no one spawns on the active runway as you come into land!  :smile: Remember unicom 122.800.

Let me see if I understand your fantasy now.

 

Both crewmembers happen to pass out (but not in a way that is harmful, really bad fish) suddenly before they even have a chance to declare a "medical emergency" initiate a descent and land the aircraft. As this terrible fish is knocking them unconscious they have the presence of mind to unlock the flight deck door. A flight attendant finds the unconscious crew with enough time to go "Oh, help is their a pilot in the house?" Swagger and suave Mr. Microsoft Flight Simulator expert stands up and yells, "I'll save this airplane! I have 100,000 hours flying on VATSIM, am a Senior Super Duper Command ATP Captain with EastWest Virtual Airlines, and I am rated in and a Senior Check Captain for everything that ever flown or will ever fly." The Flight Attendant, clearly impressed, takes you to the flight deck where you move one of the 170-200 pound crew out of the way, you clean the vomit off the headsets before placing them on your head and ever so calmly stating "Atlanta Center, this is Captain Super Star flying this here 737-800 and I'm going to bring her in for an emergency landing at Atlanta Hartsfield, so you better tell all them Delta boys to get out of my way."

 

Center just happens to have the Chief of Training for 737s sitting right next to him when you called. Of course you are a Senior Super Duper Command ATC Captain, you don't need no lip from some weak minded Chief of Training. Real pilots fly they don't teach. Tell that old man to shut up. It also just so happens that the 737-800 in which this crew happen to pass out in was optioned and ordered with Autoland and it is operational. Who cares about the limitations of autoland, because limitations are for wimps. Besides you never had an autoland fail because the cross winds were a little out.

 

You set up the FMS, tune in the ILS and dive the airplane toward Georgia telling ATC to, "move em or lose em." You slide the Guppy down the ILS ignoring the series of EICAS messages as nonsense and the airplane thumps gloriously onto 9L. There is a loud applause from the rear of the airplane as you try to taxi the airplane off the runway not understanding why the rudder pedals are ineffective. What do you mean tiller, there ain't no tiller on the PMDG 737. Clearly Boeing got it wrong. No matter you are an emergency aircraft and will taxi right across the grass, its not like airplanes ever get stuck in the grass in Flight Simulator, right?

 

You greet the passengers as the jump down the inflatable slide and by the end of the day you have nearly a dozen proposals, an offer by Clint Eastwood to make your movie and a call from Tom Cruise asking if he can play your role.

 

Did I miss anything in this fantasy? :smile:

Oh yes, now I remember, Airplane the Movie! Or was it Airplane II the sequal??

Hello everybody,

 

I'm planning on getting a flying licence in the future and I'm just wondering...

 

If I master planes like PMDG 737, 777 or A2A C172 etc., will I be able to fly the actual plane in the real world? I've got all sorts of add-ons to make the environment as realistic as possible.

 

I've been telling this to "non-sim" people and they are pretty much laughing at me :-) 

 

I'd appreciate a real world pilot to answer the question.

 

Thank you very much.

 

Sincerely,

Tomas Pokorny

 

You might do better than you think.  I flew a 777 simulator at the UAL training center back during an AVSIM conference and have no flight training other than flight sim.  I did fine. Landed the bird three times and didn't break it.  Once in a 20 kt crosswind. 

You might do better than you think.  I flew a 777 simulator at the UAL training center back during an AVSIM conference and have no flight training other than flight sim.  I did fine. Landed the bird three times and didn't break it.  Once in a 20 kt crosswind.

 

There are various Youtube videos of others doing something similar.  So what would have been the consequences if you had not managed to land the simulator?

 

That's the difference between a simulator and a real aeroplane.

Let me see if I understand your fantasy now.

 

You set up the FMS, tune in the ILS and dive the airplane toward Georgia telling ATC to, "move em or lose em." airplanes ever get stuck in the grass in Flight Simulator, right?

 

Did I miss anything in this fantasy? :smile:

If it were my scenario,  I'd simply flash my lights and honk my horn all the way down!  All the while having my head out the window yelling geddoutta my way! :wink:

 

Thanks for the fantasy!  I almost choked on my sandwich while reading it!

Probably not going to what to hear this, but when we run the FFS for demos the sim is run in crash suppress, especially if we are on motion with a non-certified 'pilot flying.'

Ken, your reality keeps busting our fantasy... :Shame On You: :wink:

Apropos, some guy stopped in the cockpit on our JFK flight the other day and said something like "hey boys, how's the weather lookin? just to let you know I've been a private pilot for 10 years now if you need any help up here... I'm back in 32G"

 

Was it anyone here?

 

I guess it would be like if I went into an operating room and told the chief surgeon, "hey, I just finished my first year of med school, but I'll be sitting back here watching if you need any help!"