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Dear valuable admin team!

 

Some of you know me, I was an admin here for over a decade.

I love this place and this community Tom has leaded for years before leaving us.

I respect your work but with your permission I would like to give you my opinion about this P3D forum.

 

Actually, there is no community because there is no life.

Every post about a new addon, a hardware related issue, a screenshot or whatever subject which is linked to P3D is immediately moved elsewhere.

So here we only talk about VAS issues, FPS comparisons and ask the same questions about graphic settings and cfg's.

It is soooo boring..

If a new P3D member discovers this sub-forum he/she will immediately ask for a refund from LM and stuck with FSX because the forum is well organised but not sexy at all.

A new camera tool for P3D?

No more post about it, one has to search within the hundreds of sub-forums to find it.

A new texture addon for P3D?

Zero post about it, they are all gone to the screenshot or hangar or whatever other forum.

A new GA airplane for P3D?

Yes, in the Carenado or Alabeo sub-forum. Go and search it!

A question about photoscenery and P3D?

There is nothing, one has to search within the hundreds of sub-forums to find an answer.

 

An example?

I just posted a thread in order to compare Zinertek HD textures and the new REW WWA before purchasing it or not.

With screenshots to show the differences.

I did that to help folks compare between the two products.

Why was this thread immediately moved to the screenshot section?

I didn't post flight shots for the show but for a precise P3D comparison.

 

I believe most of the P3D users don't use FSX anymore.

I also believe they would love to find a central place where to share all the info which is related to P3D.

I can understand when you move hardware posts to the hardware forum. This is OK, software here and hardware there, no problem with that at all.

But I don't believe that moving a typical ASCA and P3D question (for exemple) to the HiFi sub forum is always the good thing to do.

In my very humble opinion, P3D users should be able to talk about the Simulator together with its addons as a whole.

This should allow a much more active and friendly P3D community, instead of a sterilized and cold place as it is today.

 

Just my 2 cts.

You can now move this topic to the Hangar!!

:P

(just kidding)

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Hi David.

 

Interesting points.

 

I have just started setting up my P3Dv3 to replicate as much as possilble my FSX.

This takes some time of course.  So I'm going to be running parallel sims for a bit.

 

I am not that experienced with P3D and now that I have all my Orbx regions, Global Base, UTX and Vector installed I am working on airports. However, I have notices all sorts of undesirable graphics that might be just what P3D looks like but I'm not happy.

 

So I need a place to find out what is normal what is not and if not how to adjust to fix it.

 

cheers

Bryan

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Dear valuable admin team!

 

Some of you know me, I was an admin here for over a decade.

I love this place and this community Tom has leaded for years before leaving us.

I respect your work but with your permission I would like to give you my opinion about this P3D forum.

 

Actually, there is no community because there is no life.

Every post about a new addon, a hardware related issue, a screenshot or whatever subject which is linked to P3D is immediately moved elsewhere.

So here we only talk about VAS issues, FPS comparisons and ask the same questions about graphic settings and cfg's.

It is soooo boring..

If a new P3D member discovers this sub-forum he/she will immediately ask for a refund from LM and stuck with FSX because the forum is well organised but not sexy at all.

A new camera tool for P3D?

No more post about it, one has to search within the hundreds of sub-forums to find it.

A new texture addon for P3D?

Zero post about it, they are all gone to the screenshot or hangar or whatever other forum.

A new GA airplane for P3D?

Yes, in the Carenado or Alabeo sub-forum. Go and search it!

A question about photoscenery and P3D?

There is nothing, one has to search within the hundreds of sub-forums to find an answer.

 

An example?

I just posted a thread in order to compare Zinertek HD textures and the new REW WWA before purchasing it or not.

With screenshots to show the differences.

I did that to help folks compare between the two products.

Why was this thread immediately moved to the screenshot section?

I didn't post flight shots for the show but for a precise P3D comparison.

 

I believe most of the P3D users don't use FSX anymore.

I also believe they would love to find a central place where to share all the info which is related to P3D.

I can understand when you move hardware posts to the hardware forum. This is OK, software here and hardware there, no problem with that at all.

But I don't believe that moving a typical ASCA and P3D question (for exemple) to the HiFi sub forum is always the good thing to do.

In my very humble opinion, P3D users should be able to talk about the Simulator together with its addons as a whole.

This should allow a much more active and friendly P3D community, instead of a sterilized and cold place as it is today.

 

Just my 2 cts.

You can now move this topic to the Hangar!!

:P

(just kidding)

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I'm always wondering where the interesting threads have suddenly gone...

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What an excellent post David. I feel this hits the nail on the head.

 

There is definitely no community feel to the P3D Forum. Considering the fact we know many advanced users have switched to P3D, a look through the forum reveals a lack of solid community driven discussion and detail.

 

I hope the Admins give consideration to your comments.

 

Best regards

Michael M

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Dear valuable admin team!

 

Some of you know me, I was an admin here for over a decade.

I love this place and this community Tom has leaded for years before leaving us.

I respect your work but with your permission I would like to give you my opinion about this P3D forum.

 

Actually, there is no community because there is no life.

Every post about a new addon, a hardware related issue, a screenshot or whatever subject which is linked to P3D is immediately moved elsewhere.

So here we only talk about VAS issues, FPS comparisons and ask the same questions about graphic settings and cfg's.

It is soooo boring..

If a new P3D member discovers this sub-forum he/she will immediately ask for a refund from LM and stuck with FSX because the forum is well organised but not sexy at all.

A new camera tool for P3D?

No more post about it, one has to search within the hundreds of sub-forums to find it.

A new texture addon for P3D?

Zero post about it, they are all gone to the screenshot or hangar or whatever other forum.

A new GA airplane for P3D?

Yes, in the Carenado or Alabeo sub-forum. Go and search it!

A question about photoscenery and P3D?

There is nothing, one has to search within the hundreds of sub-forums to find an answer.

 

An example?

I just posted a thread in order to compare Zinertek HD textures and the new REW WWA before purchasing it or not.

With screenshots to show the differences.

I did that to help folks compare between the two products.

Why was this thread immediately moved to the screenshot section?

I didn't post flight shots for the show but for a precise P3D comparison.

 

I believe most of the P3D users don't use FSX anymore.

I also believe they would love to find a central place where to share all the info which is related to P3D.

I can understand when you move hardware posts to the hardware forum. This is OK, software here and hardware there, no problem with that at all.

But I don't believe that moving a typical ASCA and P3D question (for exemple) to the HiFi sub forum is always the good thing to do.

In my very humble opinion, P3D users should be able to talk about the Simulator together with its addons as a whole.

This should allow a much more active and friendly P3D community, instead of a sterilized and cold place as it is today.

 

Just my 2 cts.

You can now move this topic to the Hangar!!

:P

(just kidding)

 

You are spot on. I have been involved with Avsim forum for almost 2 decades, and I just don't understand what is going on anymore. I posted a thread about the new replacement for Ezdok, when it was first announced, and about 35 posts later it was suddenly moved to Hangar Chat. I thought I was living in the  Twilight Zone. All I see are endless posts about VAS issues ( which I have never had by the way and have been accused multiple times by forum members of lying about that), flickering, tweaks, etc.   I don't get it.. probably why I get most of my info on Facebook P3D groups now. I just am tired of the constant complaining and whining. 

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I suppose we could close the CaptainSim, Carenado, Screenshot, Hardware, Windows10, and other sub-forums and just have P3D, FSX, and X-Plane forums. Many of the sub-forums were added at the request of our membership over the many years AVSIM has been in existence. When FSX/P3D/X-Plane were first released, there were a lot of discussions going on and members wanted some organization...

  • "Hey, how about a hardware forum for video cards as I'm sick and tired of reading posts where people are having problems with their video card or they want to know what is the best card for FSX. Can we have a forum for that? I want to know how to configure and tweak FSX and learn how to use the add-ons."
  • "What are screenshots doing here? Can't we have a separate forum for screenshots and flightsim videos?"
  • "I could care less about Carenado and Captain Sim issues. Can't we have a separate forum for those products?"
  • "Hey!! How about a forum for things that don't fit in the FSX or P3D or X-Plane forums? You know, just general stuff or new stuff being developed?"
  • "Why was the information about a new product to replace [name of product] placed in just the FSX forum? It applies to P3D too! Maybe that stuff should be in the Hangar Chat for general discussions. You know, where people enter a hangar and ask whoever is around whether they heard about this new product being developed to replace an existing product."
  • Etc., etc., etc.... There are many other examples.

I think I'm about the main mover of topics here at AVSIM but other moderators have moved topics. I usually check the box to leave the link in, say, the P3D Forum showing that it was moved to another forum. Many of our members, especially the new, are not aware we have a Crash to Desktop Forum or a Hardware Forum or a place where Windows issues are discussed. The issue or problem may have already been discussed there and, in most cases, this is where our experts reside to help others. We have some really smart people on hardware and Windows.

We (I) make mistakes occasionally and I sincerely apologize for those mistakes. Is there a perfect moderator out there? Sometimes we do not have the time to read every word in every post/topic but move things based on just the title and a quick scan of the OP. I have been guilty of that in the past and, when it is brought to my attention the topic was not about where the topic was moved, I usually move the topic back. Did you know each post, each topic has a 'Report' button at the bottom where members can click on and report an issue immediately to our moderators (okay, we are not here 24 hours a day so there may be a delay) about an issue with a topic. We sometimes listen and sometimes do not if we disagree. The moderators make the final decision on all reports. I will usually PM someone about their report if I feel it needs further explaining. I would hope our moderators would do the same.

P3D is not a sub-forum. At the bottom of this page it shows you exactly where P3D Forums are located - under The AVSIM Community. P3D, FSX, X-Plane, DTG's FlightSim, and Hangar Chat forums are the main forums here at AVSIM. I try to keep stuff related to FSX in the FSX forum and stuff related to P3D in the P3D Forum although both sims are similar as they both were originally developed by Microsoft. If someone is having a Windows 10 problem in the FSX Forum or P3D Forum, the topic clearly belongs in the Windows 10 Forum; otherwise, why have a separate forums? If we are going to discuss new product releases in the P3D Forum but not in the FSX Forum, then that's not right unless the product only relates to that flight simulator.

Heck, Dave, when you were a moderator here, FSX was pretty much the only forum on the block and everything was in the FSX Forum. Everything! And that included most of our membership. Now we have more flight simulators to play with and we have several new OS's and new hardware arriving. So yes, it is probably getting harder and harder to have extensive discussions in just one forum where everyone feels like they are part of the simulator community. Maybe we will eliminate some forums but I always hate it when someone posts a topic about a new NVidia driver that has a bug in it and it is only being discussed in the FSX Forum. What do you mean? I have to go to every forum to find out what's going on? I usually just hang out in the DTG FlightSim forum!

The PMDG Forums are a great example of what you are talking about as they discuss things about CTD's, new products, hardware problems, Windows, and just general chat. It is their support forums and they have their own moderator team and commercial support forums hosted here at AVSIM can discuss whatever they want. The AVSIM Moderators use to get involved and moderate those forums and they moved topics belonging, say, in the CTD Forum to the CTD Forum but I stopped all of that when I took over. We only police for violations of the AVSIM Terms of Service.

Most of the other forums, ActiveSky, Orbx, Carenado, FSCrew, etc., are "unofficial" support forums as the developers have their "official" forums on their own website. If you want official support for a product, you go there. If you don't, then you can go to one of our "unofficial" forums and ask your questions. Sometimes the developer visits and answers your questions but mostly it is done via user-to-user support. If you have a question about AS16, it is best to visit our ActiveSky forum and ask there because the question usually relates to FSX, FSX-SE, and P3D and those users would like to get involved too in the discussions.

So, bottom line - our community has grown by leaps and bounds over the years and it will continue to grow.

Thanks for your observations and concerns. Since it is mainly related to P3D I see no reason to move it to the Hangar Chat as it has a good purpose for being posted in this forum.

Best regards,
Jim

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Well, let me ask you this David, how many 3rd party products are P3D exclusively? (meaning they only work with P3D and no other platform?) ... I'm not aware of any 3rd party product that is exclusively P3D (they may exist, I'm just not aware).

 

As a result, P3D forums seem to be getting questions just about P3D (i.e. VAS  usage, 64bit version x.x, etc.).  Questions about add-ons being used with P3D do seem to end up elsewhere (either in FSX or vendors support forum).  I personally have NOT moved any threads (for better or worse) but I try to focus mostly in P3D forum and not elsewhere ... for example the latest nVidia drivers in SLI only impact P3D particle effects, they don't impact FSX, FSX-SE (not sure about DTG) as FSX and FSX-SE don't have SLI support.  But does this belong in hardware forums or in the P3D forum ... I feel it's a P3D issue so P3D forum, but I could see the justification to put it in the Hardware forum also.

 

It's an interesting observation that I had never really thought about ... and I do see your point, for example if you are having a CTD with P3D, you'd have to surf thru many more threads in the CTD forum that could be specific to FSX, or FSX-SE, or DTG, or XPlane, or P3D vs. surfing just the P3D forum to find solutions to CTD (assuming of course one hasn't downloaded the CTD guide).

 

Thanks for bringing it up, it's certainly a good topic for discussion with Jim and other moderators.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Dear old Chap...

 

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

 

Chas

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An example?

I just posted a thread in order to compare Zinertek HD textures and the new REW WWA before purchasing it or not.

With screenshots to show the differences.

I did that to help folks compare between the two products.

Why was this thread immediately moved to the screenshot section?

I didn't post flight shots for the show but for a precise P3D comparison.

 

 

Only because of this example, I'm 100% agreed David !

 

Ps : ok, now let's find the Zinertech vs REX Airport HD comparaison shots topic ! ;-(

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There are pros and cons to moving threads. However the simplest way to determine where a thread should lie is by the OP making it clear - ie a thread in order to compare Zinertek HD textures and the new REW WWA IN P3D ;)

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Good post David. Mods are doing a great job here, but I agree that things do become a bit too fragmentet at times.

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David

 

You made an excellent point (and an excellent post too about comparing the textures...). This forum is submerged by VAS and Mask affinity issues etc. It has become more technical and less community oriented. 

 

Well, let me ask you this David, how many 3rd party products are P3D exclusively? (meaning they only work with P3D and no other platform?) ... I'm not aware of any 3rd party product that is exclusively P3D (they may exist, I'm just not aware).

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The point is, Rob, as a P3D user, I am only interested how an addon or a piece of hardware interacts with P3D, not in their merits in general or relative to another plateform, specially when FSX and P3D are diverging more and more.  

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As many already said, excellent post David and really great to see you in here again :smile:

 

I fully agree with you and at the same time I can see the reason behind all the sub forums.

 

Wouldn't a good middle road be that people can choose more freely where they want to post a topic without having it moved as long as it isn't too obvious it's in the wrong place such as posting about issues in FSX:SE in the P3D forum.

 

Then people like myself who generally spend most time in the P3D forum won't miss out on important information because it was moved to some sub forum and at the same time people who only want to read about a specific add-on and nothing else can spend all their time in that sub forum.

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I suppose we could close the CaptainSim, Carenado, Screenshot, Hardware, Windows10, and other sub-forums and just have P3D, FSX, and X-Plane forums. Many of the sub-forums were added at the request of our membership over the many years AVSIM has been in existence. When FSX/P3D/X-Plane were first released, there were a lot of discussions going on and members wanted some organization...

  • "Hey, how about a hardware forum for video cards as I'm sick and tired of reading posts where people are having problems with their video card or they want to know what is the best card for FSX. Can we have a forum for that? I want to know how to configure and tweak FSX and learn how to use the add-ons."
  • "What are screenshots doing here? Can't we have a separate forum for screenshots and flightsim videos?"
  • "I could care less about Carenado and Captain Sim issues. Can't we have a separate forum for those products?"
  • "Hey!! How about a forum for things that don't fit in the FSX or P3D or X-Plane forums? You know, just general stuff or new stuff being developed?"
  • "Why was the information about a new product to replace [name of product] placed in just the FSX forum? It applies to P3D too! Maybe that stuff should be in the Hangar Chat for general discussions. You know, where people enter a hangar and ask whoever is around whether they heard about this new product being developed to replace an existing product."
  • Etc., etc., etc.... There are many other examples.

I think I'm about the main mover of topics here at AVSIM but other moderators have moved topics. I usually check the box to leave the link in, say, the P3D Forum showing that it was moved to another forum. Many of our members, especially the new, are not aware we have a Crash to Desktop Forum or a Hardware Forum or a place where Windows issues are discussed. The issue or problem may have already been discussed there and, in most cases, this is where our experts reside to help others. We have some really smart people on hardware and Windows.

 

We (I) make mistakes occasionally and I sincerely apologize for those mistakes. Is there a perfect moderator out there? Sometimes we do not have the time to read every word in every post/topic but move things based on just the title and a quick scan of the OP. I have been guilty of that in the past and, when it is brought to my attention the topic was not about where the topic was moved, I usually move the topic back. Did you know each post, each topic has a 'Report' button at the bottom where members can click on and report an issue immediately to our moderators (okay, we are not here 24 hours a day so there may be a delay) about an issue with a topic. We sometimes listen and sometimes do not if we disagree. The moderators make the final decision on all reports. I will usually PM someone about their report if I feel it needs further explaining. I would hope our moderators would do the same.

 

P3D is not a sub-forum. At the bottom of this page it shows you exactly where P3D Forums are located - under The AVSIM Community. P3D, FSX, X-Plane, DTG's FlightSim, and Hangar Chat forums are the main forums here at AVSIM. I try to keep stuff related to FSX in the FSX forum and stuff related to P3D in the P3D Forum although both sims are similar as they both were originally developed by Microsoft. If someone is having a Windows 10 problem in the FSX Forum or P3D Forum, the topic clearly belongs in the Windows 10 Forum; otherwise, why have a separate forums? If we are going to discuss new product releases in the P3D Forum but not in the FSX Forum, then that's not right unless the product only relates to that flight simulator.

 

Heck, Dave, when you were a moderator here, FSX was pretty much the only forum on the block and everything was in the FSX Forum. Everything! And that included most of our membership. Now we have more flight simulators to play with and we have several new OS's and new hardware arriving. So yes, it is probably getting harder and harder to have extensive discussions in just one forum where everyone feels like they are part of the simulator community. Maybe we will eliminate some forums but I always hate it when someone posts a topic about a new NVidia driver that has a bug in it and it is only being discussed in the FSX Forum. What do you mean? I have to go to every forum to find out what's going on? I usually just hang out in the DTG FlightSim forum!

 

The PMDG Forums are a great example of what you are talking about as they discuss things about CTD's, new products, hardware problems, Windows, and just general chat. It is their support forums and they have their own moderator team and commercial support forums hosted here at AVSIM can discuss whatever they want. The AVSIM Moderators use to get involved and moderate those forums and they moved topics belonging, say, in the CTD Forum to the CTD Forum but I stopped all of that when I took over. We only police for violations of the AVSIM Terms of Service.

 

Most of the other forums, ActiveSky, Orbx, Carenado, FSCrew, etc., are "unofficial" support forums as the developers have their "official" forums on their own website. If you want official support for a product, you go there. If you don't, then you can go to one of our "unofficial" forums and ask your questions. Sometimes the developer visits and answers your questions but mostly it is done via user-to-user support. If you have a question about AS16, it is best to visit our ActiveSky forum and ask there because the question usually relates to FSX, FSX-SE, and P3D and those users would like to get involved too in the discussions.

 

So, bottom line - our community has grown by leaps and bounds over the years and it will continue to grow.

 

Thanks for your observations and concerns. Since it is mainly related to P3D I see no reason to move it to the Hangar Chat as it has a good purpose for being posted in this forum.

 

Best regards,

Jim

Hi Jim,

I perfectly understand your point of view and I am aware of your huge involvement here in Avsim forums.

As everyone says, Rob and you are doing a fantastic job here.

I would be very sorry if my remarks seem polemical to you because of the language barrier and my 'funny English".

This is not my aim at all.

Sure, most of the moved threads are justified.

Sure, you don't have the time to read each post, you can make errors and you rely on the member’s alerts if a topic was moved by mistake.

Sure, forum members are not generally known to be very disciplined but very quick to complain.

Please believe me, I have been in the same “arena” for over 10 years.

But no, FSX was not the only sim, FS9 was then very alive and the funny thing is that I was the admin who opened this P3D forum, long time ago and leaded it for few years.

What I suggest is a bit more flexibility in order to add some “life” and interest, not to break the rules.

Maybe could you allow a single and unique topic to remain in this forum when an important addon is released, like a new weather engine, a new camera tool, a new set of textures.

This is just an idea; I know advice is cheap.

 

Thanks all for your attention and kindness.

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As many already said, excellent post David and really great to see you in here again :smile:

 

I fully agree with you and at the same time I can see the reason behind all the sub forums.

 

Wouldn't a good middle road be that people can choose more freely where they want to post a topic without having it moved as long as it isn't too obvious it's in the wrong place such as posting about issues in FSX:SE in the P3D forum.

 

Then people like myself who generally spend most time in the P3D forum won't miss out on important information because it was moved to some sub forum and at the same time people who only want to read about a specific add-on and nothing else can spend all their time in that sub forum.

 

 

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What I suggest is a bit more flexibility in order to add some “life” and interest, not to break the rules.

Maybe could you allow a single and unique topic to remain in this forum when an important addon is released, like a new weather engine, a new camera tool, a new set of textures.

 

 

Our policies and rules set up by Tom some time ago will stand.  This is a community website consisting of several forums and not just one forum.  I know P3D is the most popular forum right now

 

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and where your observations about a new product will get the most attention but rules are rules (see the AVSIM Screenshot Rules under the Forums tab).  Right now there are many discussions about the new REX HD Airport product in the Hangar Chat.  As a suggestion, what I do when I first come on board the forums is to look at the "recently discussed topics" in the upper right corner of the forums where topics about REX will pop up for everyone to see and then link to view no matter where it is located.  We had another major issue with AS16/ASCA when it was first released.  The naysayers immediately stuck when the product was first released and things went downhill fast.  Lots of trolling, rants, and false innuendo.  The topics are still on AVSIM but they were placed where they belong.  When I first took over this position from Steve (Spiritflyer), Tom PM'd me a lot and bluntly asked me why a topic was in the FSX forum when the topic's subject had nothing to do with FSX or just FSX.  The way I look at it, if we had some members breaking the rules, it would slowly turn into chaos as everyone would be doing it (or wanting to do it).  Bottom line:  I just wish you would not ask me to break our rules, for you or anyone else.  Again, let our moderator team know via the 'Report' button if you disagree with where we moved one of your topics.  We will take a look at it but no promises we will agree 100% of the time.

 

BTW, I moved your comparison topic to the Hangar Chat as you were trying to compare the REX product with the Zinertek product.  If it had been, hey, this is what the REX HD airport at KFET looks like, then it would have gone to the screenshot forum.  As you can see above, the Hangar Chat and Screen Shot Forums are pretty popular too!

 

Best regards,

Jim

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ok, I have been the one moving a lot of the posts in the P3D forum. *IF* the posts relate to P3D I do not move it. David's post was a comparison of two products that are not specific to P3D. Let's assume the FSX user doesn't follow the P3D forum - he wouldn't see it. Putting it in the Hangar Chat or Screenshot forum would give the info better exposure.

 

For me my criteria are generally - is it related to P3D or just a generic thread? Some threads start out as P3D then switch into pages of general discussion.

 

I don't believe I have moved a thread that was specifically related to P3D.

 

If there's a better criteria, I'm open to suggestions.

 

Vic

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ok, I have been the one moving a lot of the posts in the P3D forum. *IF* the posts relate to P3D I do not move it. David's post was a comparison of two products that are not specific to P3D. Let's assume the FSX user doesn't follow the P3D forum - he wouldn't see it. Putting it in the Hangar Chat or Screenshot forum would give the info better exposure.

 

For me my criteria are generally - is it related to P3D or just a generic thread? Some threads start out as P3D then switch into pages of general discussion.

 

I don't believe I have moved a thread that was specifically related to P3D.

 

If there's a better criteria, I'm open to suggestions.

 

Vic

 

So any add on to be discussed   that is not P3D specific, which is probably most all of them, should be posted in Hangar Chat from now on, or am I misunderstanding something. 

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Actually Bob, yes although I don't like it either, it's the rules. When it's an interesting product (and not just someone promoting their baby) I try to leave it for a day or so to gain some momentum and then move it where it belongs.

 

Discussing a new addon and how it works in P3D would be fine. Discussing how it works in P3D, FSX and XP would probably get it moved.

 

P3D is the most popular forum right now and, as such, is where people want to engage in discussion for the best feedback but that's what HC is for unless it's P3D specific.

 

In the FWIW department, I've looked at some of the threads with the idea of splitting them out to relevant forums but the few I've looked at would lose content and I am not an editor, nor should I be.

 

Vic

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Thank you David.

 

Your well worn and warm words about devotion and service to this community reminds me of the glue that bond so many of us together today and in the past. It was my pleasure to once have served with you and for you.

 

What this 'constitutional' debate reminds me of is the difference between an information center filled with filing cabinets, where every individual data point is analysed, categorized and filed in the proper place, at the expense of context.

 

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The more organic meeting of a closely knit community that resembles a talking circle around a campfire (but hopefully not singing Kumbaya too often)  :wub:  where individual conversations are taking place, open for others members to listen in, join, or move on, at will.

 

Neither one would be the answer to the issues you allude to or aspire to the inspiration you pay homage to, just possible opening talking points. The very fact that you received such positive feedback from senior members points to a longing for more than we are. Many are loaded with acute observation and sage advice, both for and against.

 

So, I hope that each of us will weigh what AVSIM means and what we are willing to hope and work for. The AVSIM past points to a DNA of radical adaptation to changing technology, organizational models, personnel, methods and means, while remaining grounded in the glue of our better natures of care and courtesy for each other.

 

Tom was a personality, a character with bigger-than-life human interaction, both very good and sometimes less so, as are we all. He never considered himself locked into anything, other than a deep seated desire to build a place people wanted to be part of, because they feel at home, and care. That is a foundation that can be built upon.

 

As for me, I hope we build upon what and who we were by becoming what and who we need to be, the life pumping heart and home of all those who love this hobby, regardless of all the other things that may divide us. After all, we are about wishing to soar beyond the limits of mere mundane ground bound reality! Thank you David for reminding us of who we are and why we are here.

 

A special thank you to Jim Young and the moderators who work so hard to keep AVSIM together. It is not as easy as it might look to not only be fair and consistent, but appear to be so by all. We are increasingly in your debt.

 

Kind regards,

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A special thank you to Jim Young and the moderators who work so hard to keep AVSIM together. It is not as easy as it might look to not only be fair and consistent, but appear to be so by all. We are increasingly in your debt.

 

Thank you Steve for your kind comments.  I totally agree with your comments.  Both you and David served AVSIM well!

 

Best regards,

Jim

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So any add on to be discussed   that is not P3D specific, which is probably most all of them, should be posted in Hangar Chat from now on, or am I misunderstanding something.

What about a topic, say, "Love the PMDG 777" in the P3D Forum.  Clearly the title refers to the PMDG 777 but, what if the topic contents say something like, "just flew the PMDG 777 from KLAS to Paris using P3Dv3.2.  What an exciting flight.  I have Orbx Global installed and the flight went without a hitch.  I could not believe how smooth and stable it was during the flight.  The P3D cloud shadows really provided a lot of immersion during the flight and the AS16 weather provided realistic weather.  I have an i7 4770K but it is not overclocked and I use no tweaks. ProATC-X was employed too and it worked great with all of my add-ons and P3D."

 

Nothing wrong here as we are talking about add-ons in P3D (and not FSX/X-Plane/DTG). 

 

What about a topic, "REX HD Airports look great in P3D".  "Just installed the new REX HD Airports and checked some of them out in P3Dv3.2.  First of all, the product looks great in P3D and I saw little or no issues with FPS.  The airports all looked great so far and an exciting add-on for P3D.  Anyone seeing any problems?  What's the best theme found so far?"

 

Again, nothing wrong with this in the P3D Forums.

 

Here's another topic - "AS16 does not work".  "Why doesn't AS16 weather work for me in P3D?" 

 

This one would probably be moved as it would best be answered in the user-to-user support forum for ActiveSky (where the experts reside).  Perhaps the question has already been answered there.  It has nothing to do with P3D other than it won't work in P3D. 

 

I think you might be getting the idea.  It is extremely difficult to respond to every situation and I'm not going to play that game here.  Just wanted to give you an idea what we go through while moderating the world's largest flight simulation website.

 

Best regards,

Jim

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Our policies and rules set up by Tom some time ago will stand. This is a community website consisting of several forums and not just one forum.

 

Sounds good to me.

All-ya-all (AVSIM Staff) do a great job keeping this huge forum well organized.

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Sounds good to me.

All-ya-all (AVSIM Staff) do a great job keeping this huge forum well organized.

Thanks Vaughan.  Appreciate the nice words.  I think we have a great team trying to do the best they can!

 

Best regards,

Jim

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