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Oh yeah baby 'bout time...cheers brother.

 

Seems it's not the case, five more months before grabbing it, I guess.

Cheers, Ed

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Does this mean it's 'release week' .  When he released the 777 first video's , it was exactly that.

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What will be interesting is how it compares to the 737 and 777 in terms of performance when it's ready for a test.  I'm hoping it's better than the 777.

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Does this mean it's 'release week' .  When he released the 777 first video's , it was exactly that.

 

I don't think so, he said that it could take a few more month. I wouldn't expect a 2016 release to be honest.

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Guys.

2016 is not going to happen. There are things that need to be improved.. It's going to take time.

I can only appreciate the fact that Froogle (Peter) is taking the time to make these videos.

The 747 at the moment is like an unpolished diamond. Give it time. At least we have videos

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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MY GOD!!!!!!!! I knew that after so many images come videos So the videos come now thnx again!!  :wub:  :wub:  :wink:  :dance:  :dance:

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Guys.
2016 is not going to happen. There are things that need to be improved.. It's going to take time.
I can only appreciate the fact that Froogle (Peter) is taking the time to make these videos.
The 747 at the moment is like an unpolished diamond. Give it time. At least we have videos

 

Well I thought as much to be honest.  I love Froogle's video series.  Exactly what we need to prep for the big day

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Wow yes I guess youtube is learning what sort of stuff I like - saw this pop up in youtube about an hour ago.  

 

Mark Trainer

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Sorry to be nit picky... But aren't the external power button switch lights reversed? When in "ON" the bar on the button should align with the bar printed on the panel... Check at athe 16:55 mark...

 

I know its beta and that there are errors... Just trying to show something that might have been missed :)

 

 

BR,

Gustavo Nilson

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I didnt see much what the FS2004 PMDG 747-400 couldnt do.

 

But it isn't so much about aircraft functionality as it is about new design technology.

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Working my way though froogles vid during spurts at work! For those that have beta access (lucky f.....anyways! LOL!) How does it compare to the iFly 747?

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I didnt see much what the FS2004 PMDG 747-400 couldnt do.

 

I've seen this point pop up a few times and am pretty baffled by it. I mean, it's still a 747, so it's not like we could make something that was already like a 747 to be more like a 747. We could offer a bunch of unrealistic stuff just to pack more superficial stuff into it just to say we made it do more stuff, but that would obviously be unrealistic.

 

The graphics are vastly improved. Go back and look at any shot of the VC, and compare it to what you're seeing here. The FS9 aircraft didn't have weather radar, didn't track MTBF hours like this one does (as the 737 and 777 do as well), did not have custom panel states, didn't have this level of fully-featured options (though it had a couple), and quite a number of other things that I'm not recalling off the top of my head...but to give you an example, you have the option of using Kidde versus Systron fire extinguishing systems, and the function of the system changes according to that. If you look at the STAT page in the video, you can also see signal garbage in the system that shows up when the HYD system is off, which shows in the jumping values. It's a ton of smaller details to make it truer to the real aircraft.

 

...but again, in the end, it's still a 747, so these posts that assume that it's going to be wildly different are...puzzling.

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The comment he made about the 747 being less automated and more challenging than the 777 is interesting.

 

When I started using the 777, that automation he spoke of was amazing.  For say, start, the 777 would switch off packs.  In the 747, you have to switch them off manually. But I think I understand when folks who use the 777 say its too automated and a lil 'dry' to use.  I'm a self confessed 777 nut but I'm looking forward to using the 747.  It may indeed be a bit more of a challenge

 

 

Kirk Mayers

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The comment he made about the 747 being less automated and more challenging than the 777 is interesting.

 

When I started using the 777, that automation he spoke of was amazing.  For say, start, the 777 would switch off packs.  In the 747, you have to switch them off manually. But I think I understand when folks who use the 777 say its too automated and a lil 'dry' to use.  I'm a self confessed 777 nut but I'm looking forward to using the 747.  It may indeed be a bit more of a challenge

 

 

Kirk Mayers

 

The 747 also has a stronger APU which can start two engines at a time. Little nuances will make this far more pleasurable to fly in my opinion. The famous architect Norman Foster after all called it his most favourite building..

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It comes down to preferences. I play a lot with the T7 as well as the FSL A320 and they are amazing. That level of automation is fine, nothing wrong with that but at the same time I LOVE the Majestic Dash-8 Q400. Its modern but still very manual as far as flying it, no auto throttle etc. 

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The comment he made about the 747 being less automated and more challenging than the 777 is interesting.

 

Yep I find the 777 far less interesting to fly because it is so automated.

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Happy to have someone correct me, but for Pete (Froogle) pump number 4 should remain in AUX until you've pushed back.  As I understand it the purpose is that it powers the nose gear, so if you have it ON it'll pressurise the nose gear steering hydraulics which will cause problems.  This can be turned on once Pushback is complete and the nose gear is free of any tugs.

 

One thing I will say is start up times on the engines is a lot longer than I thought, I imagine this is more realistic or is it because he's left 1 pack on?  I always thought you turned all off and the aircraft could only really cope with starting 2 engines at once really.

 

Here to learn, miss the 747 since I dispanded FSX.

 

Cheers

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I've never been one for mahoosive jets, more a 737 A319 person but I like the sounds of the new 747.  Definitely think I will have to get this when it comes out.

 

S

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Froogle,

What do you think about the AEROWINX PFX? Amazing flight performance. Everthing is working and a constant update service to make it better and better or a request for specifiek company adjustments. Working Circuit Breakers also on the electrical panels P6-1 etc"located down stars. With some computer knowlege you can make a connection with FSX scenery.

Regards

Jovabra

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The 747 also has a stronger APU which can start two engines at a time.

 

It's actually rated for all four, but an operator would only do it if they had the autostart option (modeled). Without it, it would be an accident waiting to happen.

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The comment he made about the 747 being less automated and more challenging than the 777 is interesting.

 

When I started using the 777, that automation he spoke of was amazing.  For say, start, the 777 would switch off packs.  In the 747, you have to switch them off manually. But I think I understand when folks who use the 777 say its too automated and a lil 'dry' to use.  I'm a self confessed 777 nut but I'm looking forward to using the 747.  It may indeed be a bit more of a challenge

 

 

Kirk Mayers

 

I don't think you'll find it very hard really.  Personally I would still say that the 747-400 is heavily automated, and really not that far behind the 777 in many ways.  The predecessor however was a big challenge, virtually everything is manual.  I remember getting a simulation of the 747-200 and it took a lot of work to get going, which you'd expect, it was designed to be flown by 3 people!  

 

There are just a few things that you'll need to get your head around, apart from the manual flying characteristics that is, such as manually setting up fuel pumps depending on fuel load.  That's another comment I'll make on the video here.  The cross feeds aren't turned on by default, it depends on the fuel loads in the tanks.  If you're in what's called a 'tank to engine' condition then the override pumps and cross feeds are not required, and if ON the fuel system would be incorrectly configured.  This is a condition which you reach during your flight as well, upper EICAS will show TANK/ENG indicating fuel is equal in the engine tanks so the fuel system needs to be reconfigured to maintain the balance.  I remember when I was out and I'd missed this message I'd have to turn off pumps on a tank or two to balance things out before going to TANK/ENG..

 

There are also some pretty cool features that the 777 has in it's CDU which aren't present in the 747-400, and of course the electronic checklist which I love personally, saves on paper :).  Sounds are great in this though!  Would have been nice to hear the APU outside on its own.

 

Froogle,

What do you think about the AEROWINX PFX? Amazing flight performance. Everthing is working and a constant update service to make it better and better or a request for specifiek company adjustments. Working Circuit Breakers also on the electrical panels P6-1 etc"located down stars. With some computer knowlege you can make a connection with FSX scenery.

Regards

Jovabra

 

I loved PS1.3, it was the first thing that really got me into simming, before the 747-400 came out for FS9 from PMDG (those were the days).  Then Aerowinx took a back seat, but it's still used a lot today for home flightdecks.  That's what taught me the most about the 747-400 though.

 

I know this wasn't directed at me, but thought I'd reply :)

 

Cheers

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Happy to have someone correct me, but for Pete (Froogle) pump number 4 should remain in AUX until you've pushed back.  As I understand it the purpose is that it powers the nose gear, so if you have it ON it'll pressurise the nose gear steering hydraulics which will cause problems.  This can be turned on once Pushback is complete and the nose gear is free of any tugs.

 

Lockout pin prevents accidental activation. Different SOPs may specify different procedures based on their risk stance. May also change whether you have pneumatic or elec on 1 and 4 (modeled).

 

 

 


One thing I will say is start up times on the engines is a lot longer than I thought, I imagine this is more realistic or is it because he's left 1 pack on?  I always thought you turned all off and the aircraft could only really cope with starting 2 engines at once really.

 

You can get all four going at the same time if you really wanted to. The APU is rated for it - just be sure the packs are off. In general, what you have running will affect how quickly the engine spools up during the start: packs, HYDs, etc.

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