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anybody done any review of the product? and do they have it avail on flight1 or simmarket?

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any reviews? is it like close to pmdg quality or so? and can one buy it if u have no paypal?

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It's not quite on PMDG's level, but they update regularly and its not a bad aircraft. It just needs some things ironed out. Performance isn't the greatest (for me at least) and that's the major problem I have. There are a few other things they need to fix, but for 60 bucks? I think it's worth it for the amount of features you're getting. Plus, it's the only semi "study" level 717 out there, which is awesome. 

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I am interested in TFDI 717. How is it not PMDG quality. From what I have seen, it actually looks a bit better than PMDG. So I guess the bottleneck is in the systems part?

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It is an interesting release, with a lot of potential.

The handflying characteristics are top notch. I have no clue if they are "true to life", but the handling feels extremely good and believable. Systems and the corresponding EICAS messages work for the most part, but I haven't dug in to them too deep as of yet. Auto flight and FMS have some problems that need to be updated, but no show stopper for me.

What is really keeping me away from flying this thing is the horrible performance.

My system isn't the most powerful, but I can run all complex payware addons with a reasonable performance. Not so the 717, it causes stuttering, fluctuating fps, and all of that so badly, that it ruins the whole experience.

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How does this compare to the FSLabs A320, performance wise? I get good fps with the PMDG stuff but the A320 hits like a ton of bricks on my system.

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Well worth the money in my opinion! Beautiful modeling, especially the VC. They have also managed to get the cockpit displays to be very crisp and clear, where the pixels don´t interpolate, making them easier to read. Sure there are a few rough edges still, especially in the AP NAV and PROF-modes, and the MCDU isn´t complete, but Im sure they'll get there eventually. Performance in P3D is just spectacular, and it´s a dream to hand fly! Well worth the 60$! 

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I have been watching this addon with much interest. One thing I don't like is the absence of 2D pop up panels for the FMC and overhead. Seems this would make using it very cumbersome. Any comments from those who have it on this issue? Beautiful airplane and I have been very tempted. Also being a long time Boeing user the learning curve seems a little intimidating, especially the FMC. Love the old DC-9 family though. 

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It's not PMDG level, but then again it's the first release from a brand new development team, and 3 weeks old. It has a lot of bugs, issues and missing features currently... but there's still a lot to like. You also pay $60 for full support for BOTH sims, which is awesome and I encourage more developers to do. We'll see if the upcoming updates take care of all the existing issues - that's really the make-or-break for TFDi right now.

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Initial release was shaky for me, stutter/freeeze and unfluable. Never had such a problem with an addon before. But they fixed whatever issue (probably conflict with other dlls) in the 2nd update so happy to get that behind. Perf is definitely better than fsl a320 right now.

 

There are many issues to be fixed, both fmc/systems/lighting and external model, but I think they're making progress.

 

If they eventually achieve 80% of flythemaddog, I'd be happy.

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It has a lot of bugs, issues and missing features currently... but there's still a lot to like. You also pay $60.

Is there a post somewhere (or could someone make one) with a list? Comments like "a lot of bugs" concern me for a $60 add-on. That's not really cheap.

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I purchased it on day one and can't seem to get to fly it with fluidity. With an I5-2500K at 4.4 ghz and a gtx1060, this is the only plane that makes my system too weak. The frame rate swings as well as scenery stuttering makes me think of the early days of FSX on weak cpu's. 

I am hoping that one of these days the issues will be resolved. Many swear by it, but at least I am one who cannot fly it.

Their support is great, and they've tried to help me.

I can't believe that I am the only one with this issue.

I don't want anyone to think that I am bashing the developers or the aircraft. I am simply describing my experience with it so far.

Tony

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I'll chime in and say it's a great looking addon; inside and out.

 

A note about performance: I too had really dodgy performance on my system which runs all other payware reasonably well (usually 24-46 fps). After getting airborne I would get horrible lag on the instrumentation. However, after unchecking the option to "Allow hardware rendering" things were much more smooth. (for me)

 

Now, this is my experience. Flying on P3D with a load of addons. It may be this option was meant for FSX users, or it varies depending on one's hardware. Who knows? So many variables; so little time.

 

Finally, I agree it will be a very good addon after some polishing and finding the best settings. 

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Your best bet is to read through the posts at the TFDI forums and make your decision.  The opinions I've seen are strangely all over the place but I will give you mine.  No, it is not PMDG quality. Does it have potential to be at some point?  Possibly.  The VC modelling is fantastic and the sounds are great...some of the best I've heard.  From a pure looks standpoint, yes...great looking airplane.  I was an early buyer and to be honest I put it in the "hangar" about a week ago due to numerous issues that make it unflyable for me (this is with the latest fixes).  The ATS and autopilot logic just are not working correctly. The flight director is very erratic which probably ties into this issue. I have not had consistent results with VNAV/LNAV/MCDU/ILS intercept operations at all.  Speeds can be all over the place and LNAV tracking at times is horrendous (6-10 miles off course) The MCDU is very limited at this point and you cannot even get ETA's, TOD, TOC.  I also have issues loading in STARs where the MCDU leaves out many of the last waypoints. Heck, the altimeter setting doesn't even work correctly, not sure how that wasn't caught??  I have also been unable to get GSX working with this aircraft either as I cannot open the GSX menu...and it only happens with the 717 (not sure many others are having this problem though...so it is a mystery).  The night lighting also needs to be reworked IMO.  The VC lighting is just not effective at all and turns off too early (sunrise) and on too late (sunset) and I cannot see anything at all in the cockpit.  I have had on/off performance issues ranging from very stuttery to very smooth to pretty wide swings in FPS (don't really care about the FPS number unless it causes stutters).  Overall in my testing, it performs 20%+ below the NGX in similar scenarios but less consistent. That being said, it does have quite a number of issues that need to be fixed, many of which I think are pretty major.  I don't think the plane was ready for release but what's done is done and I think TFDI has learned from this.  I'm glad others seem to be having little to zero issues although I'm guessing some of these people are not flying it how it is supposed to be flown (??).  I have seen youtube videos where many of these issues were obvious or the plane is just being flown incorrectly (following FD well over 20 degrees pitch up nearly stalling, retracting flaps at 8000', not using AP correctly, etc, etc), and then give glowing reviews about how great it is.  All depends on what you are looking for I guess.  Hopefully TFDI can fix the issues but I'm sure it will take some time. 

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This bird quickly became one of my top-two planes (the other one being the Majestic Q400). On my system the performance is not spectacular but quite good. I didn't note any errors that were a game changer and didn't have any stutters or CTDs. It is a plane that demands attention to detail, but when you properly follow the amplified checklist it works great and is very rewarding.

 

The only complaint I have so far is that one cannot save/restore/import flight plans, but I am sure they will fix this at some point. 

 

Peter

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I fly it all the time. My FPS have been great from day 1. I feel bad for people having issues. It's amazing how FS software reacts so differently to different pc's. The bugs are manageable. I fly it all the time. Great VC and sound. The best part is they are actively fixing the issues people are having and planning on adding features after that step. For 60$ is a great aircraft.

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Your best bet is to read through the posts at the TFDI forums and make your decision.  The opinions I've seen are strangely all over the place but I will give you mine.  No, it is not PMDG quality. Does it have potential to be at some point?  Possibly.  The VC modelling is fantastic and the sounds are great...some of the best I've heard.  From a pure looks standpoint, yes...great looking airplane.  I was an early buyer and to be honest I put it in the "hangar" about a week ago due to numerous issues that make it unflyable for me (this is with the latest fixes).  The ATS and autopilot logic just are not working correctly. The flight director is very erratic which probably ties into this issue. I have not had consistent results with VNAV/LNAV/MCDU/ILS intercept operations at all.  Speeds can be all over the place and LNAV tracking at times is horrendous (6-10 miles off course) The MCDU is very limited at this point and you cannot even get ETA's, TOD, TOC.  I also have issues loading in STARs where the MCDU leaves out many of the last waypoints. Heck, the altimeter setting doesn't even work correctly, not sure how that wasn't caught??  I have also been unable to get GSX working with this aircraft either as I cannot open the GSX menu...and it only happens with the 717 (not sure many others are having this problem though...so it is a mystery).  The night lighting also needs to be reworked IMO.  The VC lighting is just not effective at all and turns off too early (sunrise) and on too late (sunset) and I cannot see anything at all in the cockpit.  I have had on/off performance issues ranging from very stuttery to very smooth to pretty wide swings in FPS (don't really care about the FPS number unless it causes stutters).  Overall in my testing, it performs 20%+ below the NGX in similar scenarios but less consistent. That being said, it does have quite a number of issues that need to be fixed, many of which I think are pretty major.  I don't think the plane was ready for release but what's done is done and I think TFDI has learned from this.  I'm glad others seem to be having little to zero issues although I'm guessing some of these people are not flying it how it is supposed to be flown (??).  I have seen youtube videos where many of these issues were obvious or the plane is just being flown incorrectly (following FD well over 20 degrees pitch up nearly stalling, retracting flaps at 8000', not using AP correctly, etc, etc), and then give glowing reviews about how great it is.  All depends on what you are looking for I guess.  Hopefully TFDI can fix the issues but I'm sure it will take some time. 

Thanks Eric. Exactly what I was looking for. 

The FD and AP issues would really frustrate me. I'll wait until they get things ironed out. I have enough frustration with XP11 beta. :)

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I'll point out that even top developers sometimes have bugs in the FMC and vnav/lnav logic that takes ironing out. Give it a month and I bet it is more bug free. I do not have this addon but plan on buying it this summer for island hopping around Hawaii. (Hope Orbx Hawaii comes out then!)

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I am currently not tempted to use VNAV extensively because I really dislike typing tons of numbers into the FMC. However, the plane automatically makes a steady climb and descent. It appears that TOD is a bit early and TOC a bit late, but other than that basic VNAV works OK. Everything else (LNAV, ILS, waypoint and airway entry, SID/STAR) works fine for me, I didn't come across any errors yet. 

 

Peter

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No  2D popups whatsoever? petty I was going to buy this, but not anymore.

2D popups are so easy to create...

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Hi

As a newcomer, I guess I have grounds to make a judgement on this add-on. 
In general, I like it a lot. External graphics are superb, level of internal details are high. Flight model is good, hand flying is just pure pleasure, but I would not call it a complex aircraft yet. The reason I purchased it is because I have seen the potential in it and in the dev team.

For me, FPS is not so good, however, my rig is nearly five years old, so I had to play a little with settings to churn out playable frame rates.

The negatives which I have come across so far:

No ADF-NDB at all

MCDU will display neither times nor distances

VOR navigation - at least for me - is non-existent. The frequeny is tuned in NAV/RAD, but the "VOR ARM" menu item is missing, the VOR dial will not appear on the display, therefore it is not possible to track a pre-set radial

The night cocpkit is far from perfect, the lit spots are I guess in 16 or 32 colours.

 

Regards

 

Csaba

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