Nyxx

New aircraft! TDFi 717 or CJ700/900?

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I am thinking of buying a new aircraft. Both great for Delta V. The TDFi 717 looks the nuts! and I am not keep on Aerosoft aircraft. 

If you have the TDFi 717 would like to hear your feedback. No sure I need anymore on the CJ but if anyone has both it would be good to hear.

Am all ears :)

Thanks.

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I am also keen on the TFDi Design Boeing 717, but I am going to wait for the Cosford 2017 Flightsim Show before buying it. TFDi Design are exhibiting at the show, and I am hoping that there will be a discount :smile:

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10 minutes ago, Nyxx said:

I am thinking of buying a new aircraft. Both great for Delta V. The TDFi 717 looks the nuts! and I am not keep on Aerosoft aircraft. 

If you have the TDFi 717 would like to hear your feedback. No sure I need anymore on the CJ but if anyone has both it would be good to hear.

Am all ears :)

Thanks.

 

I was thinking about opening a topic with the same question, Thanks David:)

 

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I don't have the 717 but I did buy the crj. 

CRJ will be a winner for sure in another couple of service packs. The next one due soon will be a big update I think. 

Overall, I think it was released before it was ready. But, its flyable and like I said, has huge potential. With Hans Hartman as the dev, I have no doubt the bugs and issues will be squashed. 

So really, it's DA addon not an Aerosoft one. At least originally. 

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I have both but only very few flights in the CRJ. The 717 is really great and I can recommend it to everyone. But I think you will end up getting both, because both are great. Buy the 717 for now and give the CRJ a little more time to mature. The 717 had its problems as well but is pretty stable now.

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Both will be must have for p3d v4. Right now they are a work in progress. All you have to do is visit their forums to verify for yourself.

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Crj is a much more basic aircraft to fly without autothrust. 717 gives a great look at McDonnell Douglas at its best as the 717 used the MD-11 Autoflight system.

Both have a place in anyone who interested in the different way manufacturers work.

717 is about as advanced as you can get being light years ahead of 737 and several features better than Airbus.

MD did a great job with the Mad Puppy.

Get both if not and you prefer manual flight go Crj if you dont get the 717.

 

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I have both and regularly fly each of them. Both are of high quality and can be very much recommended.

The CRJ currently has a few quirks, but nothing that would stop me from enjoying it. As in RL, the CRJ does not have auto-throttle, so you need to keep an eye on the speed. On the other hand, it has a great little tool that fills in v-speeds and enables you to set all kinds of parameters. I also think the CRJ is a bit more sensitive to speed during approach than the 717. I had some issues with the 717 in its earlier stages (CTDs) but now it flies great. I think it is a matter of taste which one you should get. You can't really go wrong with both.

Peter

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For me, the TFDi blows away the current CRJ.   Not just in relation to the bugs with the CRJ (such as the aircraft failing to follow the FMS nav course accurately), but in overall immersion, sounds, VC texturing, etc.

A lot of people research the TFDi and read old posts from last December when it was released - with a lot of bugs.    Since then, TFDi literally push updates (via their excellent, automated addon manager) twice a week and the aircraft is absolutely fantastic now IMHO.  It's matured exponentially since release.  It flies beautifully!

At this point - there's really no competition.

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Well That seals it Bill.

This might not mean anything to many people but all my flights are done on the VA's below.

Also I only fly from addon airport to addon airport. 

Delta V have a huge amount of flights I could do with the 717 even more so with code share with Air France gives me euro flights as well. The CRJ flight don't tie in at all or very little at best. 

I do like the idea of manual flight but the 717 fits my needs far more even the routes available to be though Delta v are great. Lots of great short routes with my airports.

I will come back to the CRJ when it's had a few updates.

717 SOLD :biggrin:

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@Nyxx - Did you own the PMDG MD-11 back in the day?    Because the only significant learning curve for the TFDi is the automated flight modes - being nothing like a Boeing or an Airbus (eg. Profile mode, instead of VNAV or MANAGED CLB).   If you were accustomed to the MD-11, you'll feel very at home in the 717. 

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Aerosoft have just announced some hotfixes for the CRJ which might(!) be released next week. If they make a new full installer it will take a few more days until it's available from other vendors' sites. I'm hoping it will be "more flyable" then, but even then some systems should receive a more comprehensive servicepack to bring them up to the standard the CRJ is aiming for.

 

With the B717, unfortunately I've been experiencing short pauses (about one per second). I tried their full public release and after that opted into their beta program, and tried most of the fixes discussed at the TFDi forum, but currently I cannot really fly the B717. It looks, though, as this may be a local problem with my system and/or some of my addons do not play nicely with the B717.

 

Overall, the B717 currently seems way more mature than the CRJ (which obviously was released only some three weeks ago, so ...).

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19 minutes ago, JYW said:

(...)  If you were accustomed to the MD-11, you'll feel very at home in the 717. 

 

If not, the PMDG MD-11 manuals are freely available from their website, including two tutorials and a few conversion notes for Boeing people (in their intro doc). Those may help, especially since the TFDi documentation is very ... sparse.

Also, somewhere in the TFDi forum there's a link buried that leads to a more comprehensive B717 documentation. A quick search over there should bring it up.

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Don't get the CRJ right now. Complete and utter mess. 

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2 hours ago, JYW said:

@Nyxx - Did you own the PMDG MD-11 back in the day?    Because the only significant learning curve for the TFDi is the automated flight modes - being nothing like a Boeing or an Airbus (eg. Profile mode, instead of VNAV or MANAGED CLB).   If you were accustomed to the MD-11, you'll feel very at home in the 717. 

Yer I did have the MD-11 it was my first tube, but no way can I remeber how to use it :laugh:, but good idear to look over the Doc's

 

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As things are currently, without the shadow of a doubt, the TFDi 717 is quite ahead in credibility and reliability. Meaning it feels complete and works as intended with very minor issues.

I compared both last weekend and finally purchased the 717, the CRJ while 'ok', has somewhat dated texturing in the VC and can't follow a route with the current release. Crashes still a bit randomly causing frustration, so i can live without it for now.

On a personal note, the 717 VC reminds me of the MD-11, so it's a win-win there :P

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Looks good.  I miss the MD-11.  But I'll wait until a P3D v4 version is ready.

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I have both planes and have found that each still has some minor issues.  717 is a little ahead of the game although I was having many stutter issues.  It was suggested on their forum to do a complete reinstall which I did.  That took care of most of them and I have put the plane back in my flight pattern.  It is a very nice plane.

The CRJ is a little less stable with different issues arising from time to time. As stated, a new update is coming and I think the CRJ is going to be a very stable plane in the near future.  I have gotten much better performance with the CRJ but of course that varies on different systems.

So it comes down to the small things for me.  A choice in sound, VNAV, better performance, better handling, autopilot etc.  They are apples and oranges apart.  Everyone's flight experience is different.  I prefer to get my flight well on it's way and then do other things for awhile such as mowing the lawn.   The CRJ is much more hands on so it depends on how much time I can really set at the computer.  I think a fix on the speed stability may change that a bit so I can stray away for periods of time but it will always be a hands on plane.  So for me it merely comes down to what kind of flying I want to do.

Both are great planes so now I have to decide every day which to fly along with my all time favorite, the NGX.  I would recommend both of them.  

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@Nyxx

Keep this little list of hints for when you first fly the 717 - it'll make life a lot smoother!

  • You must press the Autoflight button once engines are started (or during taxi). this arms the autothrottle, ready for TO/GA.
  • TO/GA is then activated simply by moving the throttle forward (I think from memory it activates when N1 reaches 70%).
  • PROF = VNAV
  • NAV = LNAV
  • Pulling the heading knob = Heading select
  • Pushing the heading knob = Heading hold (will only hold current heading).
  • Pulling the altitude knob = FL CH
  • VS ..... there's no VS mode button ..... but simply dialling in a VS activates VS mode.
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15 minutes ago, JYW said:

@Nyxx

Keep this little list of hints for when you first fly the 717 - it'll make life a lot smoother!

  • You must press the Autoflight button once engines are started (or during taxi). this arms the autothrottle, ready for TO/GA.
  • TO/GA is then activated simply by moving the throttle forward (I think from memory it activates when N1 reaches 70%).
  • PROF = VNAV
  • NAV = LNAV
  • Pulling the heading knob = Heading select
  • Pushing the heading knob = Heading hold (will only hold current heading).
  • Pulling the altitude knob = FL CH
  • VS ..... there's no VS mode button ..... but simply dialling in a VS activates VS mode.

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I have the CRJ and would not recommend it at the moment.  What a mess...my buddy has the 717 and has no where near as many problems as me.

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Bill,

the Boeing 717 Flight Control System which you described is very similar to that of the Fokker 70/100. Programming the FMS is also very similar. Maybe that was one reason why airlines replaced their Fokker fleet with B717s after Fokker went bancrupt and service became difficult. I think the Boeing 717 will attract those who loved the Digital Aviation Fokker 70/100 (which will very unlikely be ported to P3D v4).

Michael

 

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1 hour ago, CaribbeanCLANK said:

I have the CRJ and would not recommend it at the moment.  What a mess...

that is IMO completely exaggerated. I have completed around 20 flights in the CRJ and a lot of fun. You learn something about good descend planning and staying ahead of your plane. Also it keeps you busy during approach, after memorizing a bunch of thrust settings you can fly it quite exact.

Bit more challenge than just pressing LNAV/VNAV (or NAV/PROF) buttons and just watching.

Also IMO now a few weeks after release the CRJ is in MUCH better state than the 717 at that time. 

I also like the 717 quite a lot, but the CRJ does not deserve  such negative comments. 

Mike

 

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